Digital BW, The Print

Hi Julian.  I tried a 2 sheet sample. The only thing I didn't like was
it's too yellow/ivory for me. Other than that it's a beautiful paper.
The Eclipse is pure white, and seems to me to be of equal quality. Both
seem to have a nice black. I still feel that the paper with the deepest
black is Torchon/Museum Parchment/Royal Riviera. But that texture! For
the people who like a slightly warmer paper, the photo rag is a winner.
(at least the 2 prints I made were great!).

Wonder why Museum Parchment costs so much more than Royal Riviera? Its
the same paper!! 



Jerry



Julian Thomas wrote:

> 
> Jerry have you tried photorag 300? Been playing a lot with it today - first
> chance to really push it, and I thinkyou might like it. Whiter than WT,
> smooth, good weight.  I'd guess capable of better blacks - but won't swear
> to it yet!! Also has more depth and glow than WT. I'd like to hear what you
> think.
> 
> Julian
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Just a quick note to say that while Eclipse apparently (I haven't seen one)
gives good blacks with the MIS VM ink set it does not give good blacks with
Piezo.  My comments about Eclipse with piezo are for coated prints
only...where it has really nice blacks and gives the most neutral piezo
print I have ever seen...it is really, really nice.  What's nicest is with
my coating, the Eclipse print doesn't look plastic.  It seems that the
coating melds with the paper...but you get the black enhancement.  In
contrast the same coating on Museo (a paper with a similar texture) tends to
sit on top...you get more gloss...which some may like.

I have been lobbying Jon to try to get him to profile Eclipse because I
think that's where the problems are with the uncoated black dmax.  I did an
experiment the other night.  I printed a piezo flush image and then double
printed the flush on half the image.  I don't have a densitometer and
Antonis is away...but I'd say that the double printed piezo black patch on
Eclipse is the most neutral and strongest black I've ever seen in a
piezo/paper combination.  Most papers when you double print the black
saturates...but with Eclipse the paper didn't saturate until I triple
printed.  I think when Jon profiles this paper we will have a real winner.
For those that want more texture the Eclipse satine has it with the same
paper coating.

Robert

PS  Photoinkjet.com didn't pay me to say this...I just really like the
paper.

I was quite enjoying that the paper was whiter than my usual Wells River or
Museo! You really are a perfectionist Jerry! I don't want to try anything
else new at the moment - it takes too much time (and money!) for me to get
to grips with new papers, but I'll try th eEclipse next.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 4Jerry photorag


> Hi Julian.  I tried a 2 sheet sample. The only thing I didn't like was
> it's too yellow/ivory for me. Other than that it's a beautiful paper.
> The Eclipse is pure white, and seems to me to be of equal quality. Both
> seem to have a nice black. I still feel that the paper with the deepest
> black is Torchon/Museum Parchment/Royal Riviera. But that texture! For
> the people who like a slightly warmer paper, the photo rag is a winner.
> (at least the 2 prints I made were great!).
>
> Wonder why Museum Parchment costs so much more than Royal Riviera? Its
> the same paper!!
>
>
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
> Julian Thomas wrote:
> >
> > Jerry have you tried photorag 300? Been playing a lot with it today -
first
> > chance to really push it, and I thinkyou might like it. Whiter than WT,
> > smooth, good weight.  I'd guess capable of better blacks - but won't
swear
> > to it yet!! Also has more depth and glow than WT. I'd like to hear what
you
> > think.
> >
> > Julian
> > -----------------------------------
> > Julian Thomas
> > Bruc 168-6-1
> > 08037 Barcelona
> >
> > http://www.borderless-photos.de/jthomas/jthomas-01.html
> >
> > tfno 679676321
> >
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Hi Julian,

Yup, just call me Picky.  I think I've spent way too much money over the
last year trying so many different kind of papers. I've kind of boiled
it down to 3 or 4, and I'm quite pleased with them. I'm not going to be
testing many more, I'll just be printing.  

If someone on the list comes out with a great recommendation, I suppose
I'll try it, 'cause I'm always curious, and hoping for even better
quality. But truly, the quality is so good now, If I don't find anything
better, I'll still be happy.

Jerry.






Julian Thomas wrote:

> 
> I was quite enjoying that the paper was whiter than my usual Wells River or
> Museo! You really are a perfectionist Jerry! I don't want to try anything
> else new at the moment - it takes too much time (and money!) for me to get
> to grips with new papers, but I'll try th eEclipse next.
> 
> Julian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 1:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 4Jerry photorag
> 
> > Hi Julian.  I tried a 2 sheet sample. The only thing I didn't like was
> > it's too yellow/ivory for me. Other than that it's a beautiful paper.
> > The Eclipse is pure white, and seems to me to be of equal quality. Both
> > seem to have a nice black. I still feel that the paper with the deepest
> > black is Torchon/Museum Parchment/Royal Riviera. But that texture! For
> > the people who like a slightly warmer paper, the photo rag is a winner.
> > (at least the 2 prints I made were great!).
> >
> > Wonder why Museum Parchment costs so much more than Royal Riviera? Its
> > the same paper!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> > Julian Thomas wrote:
> > >
> > > Jerry have you tried photorag 300? Been playing a lot with it today -
> first
> > > chance to really push it, and I thinkyou might like it. Whiter than WT,
> > > smooth, good weight.  I'd guess capable of better blacks - but won't
> swear
> > > to it yet!! Also has more depth and glow than WT. I'd like to hear what
> you
> > > think.
> > >
> > > Julian
> > > -----------------------------------
> > > Julian Thomas
> > > Bruc 168-6-1
> > > 08037 Barcelona
> > >
> > > http://www.borderless-photos.de/jthomas/jthomas-01.html
> > >
> > > tfno 679676321
> > >
> > >
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
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Jerry,

Were those two sheets of Photo Rag preproduction? The stuff I ordered 
and received was whiter than the original samples I saw. It's not as 
white as Eclipse with the MIS VM but the blacks are on the level of 
Torchon. Highligts remind me of Ansco 130 developed ILford Galarie

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Hi Julian.  I tried a 2 sheet sample. The only thing I didn't like 
was
> it's too yellow/ivory for me. Other than that it's a beautiful 
paper.
> The Eclipse is pure white, and seems to me to be of equal quality. 
Both
> seem to have a nice black. I still feel that the paper with the 
deepest
> black is Torchon/Museum Parchment/Royal Riviera. But that texture! 
For
> the people who like a slightly warmer paper, the photo rag is a 
winner.
> (at least the 2 prints I made were great!).
> 
> Wonder why Museum Parchment costs so much more than Royal Riviera? 
Its
> the same paper!! 
> 
> 
> 
> Jerry
> 
(snip)

Hi Martin, 

Yes I think they were pre production. Someone on the list sent them to
me to try. I think it was steadman.

Jerry

> Were those two sheets of Photo Rag preproduction? The stuff I ordered
> and received was whiter than the original samples I saw. It's not as
> white as Eclipse with the MIS VM but the blacks are on the level of
> Torchon. Highligts remind me of Ansco 130 developed ILford Galarie
> 
> M