Digital BW, The Print

Evening Group.

I just withdrew most of the ink from my old CIS cartridges, as they were
probably bad carts. Am installing new ones tomorrow.

I got about 30 cc's of ink from most of the old cartridges, and of
course it has a lot of foam in it. The question is, If I let these
bottles of ink with foam in them set for a few weeks, will the air
dissipate? Or is the ink no good?


Thanks!

Jerry

Jerry,

I think the foam will dissipate.  That is, I've had bottles of mostly foam
that I've sucked from a cart and the next morning there is ink -- very
little compared to the foam, of course.

Paul
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:30 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Can you save ink with foam in it?


Evening Group.

I just withdrew most of the ink from my old CIS cartridges, as they were
probably bad carts. Am installing new ones tomorrow.

I got about 30 cc's of ink from most of the old cartridges, and of
course it has a lot of foam in it. The question is, If I let these
bottles of ink with foam in them set for a few weeks, will the air
dissipate? Or is the ink no good?


Thanks!

Jerry


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Jerry-

I am betting it will settle.  Every once in awhile give the bottle a sharp
rap on the table.

Seth

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=Evening Group.
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=I just withdrew most of the ink from my old CIS cartridges, as 
=they were probably bad carts. Am installing new ones tomorrow.
=
=I got about 30 cc's of ink from most of the old cartridges, 
=and of course it has a lot of foam in it. The question is, If 
=I let these bottles of ink with foam in them set for a few 
=weeks, will the air dissipate? Or is the ink no good?
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=
=Thanks!
=
=Jerry
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Thanks Paul. 
My new inkset should be here this morning. I'm all ready to go, with the
new cartridges.  Boy that took a few hours to clean up the old ones.

I'll be hesitant to use these older inks, especially if everything works
perfectly with the new ones!

Jerry




Paul Roark wrote:

> 
> Jerry,
> 
> I think the foam will dissipate.  That is, I've had bottles of mostly foam
> that I've sucked from a cart and the next morning there is ink -- very
> little compared to the foam, of course.
> 
> Paul
> _____________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:30 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Can you save ink with foam in it?
> 
> Evening Group.
> 
> I just withdrew most of the ink from my old CIS cartridges, as they were
> probably bad carts. Am installing new ones tomorrow.
> 
> I got about 30 cc's of ink from most of the old cartridges, and of
> course it has a lot of foam in it. The question is, If I let these
> bottles of ink with foam in them set for a few weeks, will the air
> dissipate? Or is the ink no good?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jerry
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
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Hello printers,
I got the new Inkset from MIS 2 days ago, I loaded it to virgin 
catridges. I used the cleaning catridges and purged the Epson-inks 
until it vanished from the paper,... oboy did that took long time!! 
I used 75 A3 sized plain paper to finish it off, and then used the 
backside to get in the new UltraTone (all together 150 A3's) this 
tubeees is collecting alot of inks. Anyway everything looks fine 
after a 8-10 cleaningcycles and purgepattern printings.....but there 
is some concerns about the black eboni, and it troubles me. It 
cloggs!! I've done a fair amount of cleaning even with the printer 
software (ADJ: Clean head from the servicemanual). All inks prints 
perfect except for the Eboni, when printing the purgepattern it 
print well for the first 1/4 and then it starts with banding (white 
stripes), next I do another testprint and it shows a different 
result now with much less white stripes and only on the edges of the 
black pattern. OK hold on... I do another testprint as it goes in 
the right direction...well nooo good it got worse again, I also did 
a nozzle check and find a bad one so I went for one more cleaning 
(11th), nozzle check perfect again!!... New testprint to go (I'm 
glad I got the pintsize bottles)the first 1/5-4 prints beautiful 
(black pattern) and then the stripes comes back again and it is 
confirmed with nozzel check, another clogg. I'm asking if anyone 
have any idea to get past this point. It seems like I need a couple 
of cleaningcycles during a printingsession, print part of the image 
do cleaning and continue print next part of the image. It seems like 
the nozzles only can hold clear for a few minutes, I should say 
seconds during printing until it cloggs. Would the 7000 driver be 
better could it help?(Paul use 7000 driver I guess for his 7500) As 
I'm using the 7500 driver. Advices would be greatful.

Regards
Soren

> I just withdrew most of the ink from my old CIS cartridges, as they 
were
> probably bad carts. Am installing new ones tomorrow.
> 
> I got about 30 cc's of ink from most of the old cartridges, and of
> course it has a lot of foam in it. The question is, If I let these
> bottles of ink with foam in them set for a few weeks, will the air
> dissipate? Or is the ink no good?

Yes the ink is find. The air and ink will seperate after a few hours.

Don Bryant

Thanks Don,

By the way, try and do some kind of a test before you install the eboni.
Many have severe banding problems with it, that cannot be corrected. At
least 4 on this list that I know of. Myself included.

Jerry

Happy to say cloggs are gone, after a nights rest it seems to helped 
and is now working well. Start printed the 21greyscale on EAM with 
Pauls curves and sad to say it doesn't work. I get horrible 
crossover of inks, tested all the curves and the "best"(kind of) was 
the "w" curve. None of the curves are able to do a decent print. I 
feel I have to make my own curves from start. Is it possible that 
the printers are a bit different (European model to the US model)? 
The printed greyscales are not even close to be good. Any good 
advices for start making your own curves?

Regards
Soren

Apologize, forgot to read the manual;-) use SRGB and "Photo paper" 
and select "vivid" wich I didn't and it now prints much better, but 
not perfect for my standards. A bit grainy as well.

Regards
Soren

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "soli004" 
<soren.lindqvist@t...> wrote:
> Apologize, forgot to read the manual;-) use SRGB and "Photo paper" 
> and select "vivid" wich I didn't and it now prints much better, 
but 
> not perfect for my standards. A bit grainy as well.
> 
> Regards
> Soren

Hi Soren;
Sorry to hear you've had a rough start; I've been using the 
ultratones for about 2 weeks, with no clogging problems whatsoever. 
Quite a relief after all the trouble I had with the 1280 and Museum 
Black. 
 You must have missed my post about pulling the old ink out of the 
system with a syringe; what you went through sounds like absolute 
torture.

The instructions Paul sent me said "photo paper" "no adjustment"
and RGB for color space, with the 7000 driver. Has that been 
changed? (Paul?) I'm getting quite good results, though I could wish 
for even better dmax, but who doesn't. But the tonal range is fairly 
smooth, and there's not much 'grain' that I can attribute to the 
printer. However, at one point I fiddled around with the neutral 
curve in an attempt to get better dmax, and that curve now gives me 
very visible grain in (only!)the 50-55% zone. Which suggests to me 
that the system is quite sensitive to miss-adjustment, so it's 
omportant to get everything right before evaluating it.
 
Regards,

Steve Karafyllakis

Steve,
Things runs much better now, no cloggs and banding... boy what a 
releif... its getting better for each day. For the moment I'm 
printing testprints, highkey image with very smooth light tones to 
check the separations in the upper tones, it looks promising so far 
as it dosen't feel dull grey. I will do a couple of day's testing 
with different kind of images before I start doing more serious work 
on more expensive papers. One thing I wonder about is "Print Head 
Alignment" it tells you are required to use Epson special roll 
paper!!? Is there any way to get around this? Why have to use 
special paper for alignments??
>  You must have missed my post about pulling the old ink out of the 
> system with a syringe; what you went through sounds like absolute 
> torture.
It sure was, but how do you do it with the syringe? Sounds like you 
have to take things apart (printhead)?

> The instructions Paul sent me said "photo paper" "no adjustment"
> and RGB for color space, with the 7000 driver. Has that been 
> changed? (Paul?)
I'm using the 7000 driver now, I tried with the 7500 driver but the 
result was awful with Pauls new curve for 7500 (vm75-7k-n1). Thanks 
Paul for the new curve.
My workflow so far...
Epson 7500 with 7000 driver
Using workingspace "AdobeRGB 1998"
Pauls curve "vm75-7k-n1"
Printspace "Same as source"
Media Type "Photo Paper"
Color Management "No Color Adjustment"
Paper "EAM"

> I'm getting quite good results, though I could wish 
> for even better dmax, but who doesn't. But the tonal range is 
fairly smooth, and there's not much 'grain' that I can attribute to 
the printer.

Yes the dmax is not so good, I get readings of 1,65 on EAM I wish it 
could be up around 1,8. I'm allergic to grain and hope the 
smoothness will be there.

Regards
Soren

Soren;

You need bigger paper to do the alignment, but you can do it with 
sheets. The problem is you can't load paper in 'test mode' and each 
time it prints a pattern or a set of patterns, it ejects the paper, 
so you have to shut down, start up, load the paper, shut down, go 
into test mode, do the test... gets pretty tedious, but it can be 
done, I used 13x19 sheets & eventually got the important ones done.

> One thing I wonder about is "Print Head 
> Alignment" it tells you are required to use Epson special roll 
> paper!!? Is there any way to get around this? Why have to use 
> special paper for alignments??
> >  You must have missed my post about pulling the old ink out of 
the 
> > system with a syringe; what you went through sounds like 
absolute 
> > torture.
> It sure was, but how do you do it with the syringe? Sounds like 
you 
> have to take things apart (printhead)?
> 
Yes, you do have to take things apart. Take the head cover off and 
leave it off, you don't need it. Follow the field manual 
instructions to get the head dampers off, apply a syringe with 
bottom fill adapter and draw slowly and gently. About 15 ml will get 
you into new ink, another 3-5 ml will flush any mixed ink out of the 
dampers. After reassembly, 3-4 cleaning cycles should get you going 
again. It takes about half an hour to do all 6 inks, wastes less, 
and doesn't fill the waste ink tubs with your hard earned money.

Steve