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RE: UltraTones - what to do?

RE: UltraTones - what to do?

2003-04-15 by John/Julie Gittins

On 04/14/2003, Paul Roark wrote:

>What MIS has found is that if Eboni black (a very "high load" pigment ink)
>is mixed with dye ink, the viscosity goes way up -- it will not print.  I
>think if there was some Gen 4 Enhanced black (25% dye) in a CIS/CFS before
>the Eboni was added, the system would clog.
>
>So, when switching to Ultra Tone B&W ink with Eboni black, one must use a
>new CIS/CFS cartridge.  In large format printers that have had any dye in
>the black, the system must be flushed.

Paul,

That mixing Eboni-K with some dye ink can likely result in clogs 
seems a very important finding. Do you feel MIS has checked out 
this connection sufficiently so that we can reliably expect large 
viscosty increases whenever these 2 kinds of ink are mixed? For 
instance, if someone using Gen4 enhanced-K in pre-filled carts 
switched over to Eboni in pre-filled carts (just as they would 
have when starting up with MIS FS-K after having used EPS OEM-K 
in their printer), would the extra-viscosity effect be likely to 
occur? 

If the answer is "Yes" (and, hopefully, it isn't), then the 
clog-clearing trick of sticking in EPS OEM dye carts might not work 
with Eboni; it might, indeed, make things worse. (Would running 
purge cycles with cleaning carts, then, be the only way to keep 
Eboni-K and dyes separate?)
 
If you think the switch-over from Gen4 enh-K to Eboni could be 
done without risk of clogging when only pre-filled carts (no CIS/CFS)
are involved, would it be because the amount of Gen4 dye left in 
the path from cart to printhead is just not large enough to trigger 
the super-viscosity effect?

I look forward to getting your take on such questions.

Regards,
John               




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RE: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?

2003-04-15 by Paul Roark

John,

MIS appears to think that Eboni in a cart can be put into a printer without
flushing.  See http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/whatsnew.html

Presumably, there is not enough ink left in the head to cause a problem.

Using OEM Epson ink as a cleaning fluid for an Eboni system does seem like
it might not be the best solution.  However, I really don't.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
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From: John/Julie Gittins [mailto:jgittins2@...]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 7:55 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?


On 04/14/2003, Paul Roark wrote:

>What MIS has found is that if Eboni black (a very "high load" pigment ink)
>is mixed with dye ink, the viscosity goes way up -- it will not print.  I
>think if there was some Gen 4 Enhanced black (25% dye) in a CIS/CFS before
>the Eboni was added, the system would clog.
>
>So, when switching to Ultra Tone B&W ink with Eboni black, one must use a
>new CIS/CFS cartridge.  In large format printers that have had any dye in
>the black, the system must be flushed.

Paul,

That mixing Eboni-K with some dye ink can likely result in clogs
seems a very important finding. Do you feel MIS has checked out
this connection sufficiently so that we can reliably expect large
viscosty increases whenever these 2 kinds of ink are mixed? For
instance, if someone using Gen4 enhanced-K in pre-filled carts
switched over to Eboni in pre-filled carts (just as they would
have when starting up with MIS FS-K after having used EPS OEM-K
in their printer), would the extra-viscosity effect be likely to
occur?

If the answer is "Yes" (and, hopefully, it isn't), then the
clog-clearing trick of sticking in EPS OEM dye carts might not work
with Eboni; it might, indeed, make things worse. (Would running
purge cycles with cleaning carts, then, be the only way to keep
Eboni-K and dyes separate?)

If you think the switch-over from Gen4 enh-K to Eboni could be
done without risk of clogging when only pre-filled carts (no CIS/CFS)
are involved, would it be because the amount of Gen4 dye left in
the path from cart to printhead is just not large enough to trigger
the super-viscosity effect?

I look forward to getting your take on such questions.

Regards,
John




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Re: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?

2003-04-15 by Ernst Dinkla

> On 04/14/2003, Paul Roark wrote:
>
> >What MIS has found is that if Eboni black (a very "high load"
pigment ink)
> >is mixed with dye ink, the viscosity goes way up -- it will
not print.  I
> >think if there was some Gen 4 Enhanced black (25% dye) in a
CIS/CFS before
> >the Eboni was added, the system would clog.
> >
> >So, when switching to Ultra Tone B&W ink with Eboni black, one
must use a
> >new CIS/CFS cartridge.  In large format printers that have had
any dye in
> >the black, the system must be flushed.
>
> Paul,

Paul,

What kind of fluid can be used to clean a big 9000 CIS system of
all the dye inks that has been used in it ?
With a vacuum pump (+ a bottle in between) I can get all the dye
ink out and pull a cleaning liquid through the system and get it
more or less empty again but there will still be some cleaning
fluid or water left in the system. What actually triggers the
viscosity increase ?

Ernst

RE: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?

2003-04-15 by Alessandro Pardi

John,
 
switching from OEM to Eboni carts is what I just did on my 1160 (see my
latest post), and the reason I put the OEM inks is was exactly clogging.
Just after switching carts I ran a nozzle check and the black was really
horrible (about 50% missing), whereas the "grays" still were mostly C, M and
Y, but a single nozzle clean made the printer ready. Four more A4 prints
yesterday evening, and all is (still) well...
 
Alessandro
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Sent: martedì 15 aprile 2003 4:55
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Subject: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?


On 04/14/2003, Paul Roark wrote:

>What MIS has found is that if Eboni black (a very "high load" pigment ink)
>is mixed with dye ink, the viscosity goes way up -- it will not print.  I
>think if there was some Gen 4 Enhanced black (25% dye) in a CIS/CFS before
>the Eboni was added, the system would clog.
>
>So, when switching to Ultra Tone B&W ink with Eboni black, one must use a
>new CIS/CFS cartridge.  In large format printers that have had any dye in
>the black, the system must be flushed.

Paul,

That mixing Eboni-K with some dye ink can likely result in clogs 
seems a very important finding. Do you feel MIS has checked out 
this connection sufficiently so that we can reliably expect large 
viscosty increases whenever these 2 kinds of ink are mixed? For 
instance, if someone using Gen4 enhanced-K in pre-filled carts 
switched over to Eboni in pre-filled carts (just as they would 
have when starting up with MIS FS-K after having used EPS OEM-K 
in their printer), would the extra-viscosity effect be likely to 
occur? 

If the answer is "Yes" (and, hopefully, it isn't), then the 
clog-clearing trick of sticking in EPS OEM dye carts might not work 
with Eboni; it might, indeed, make things worse. (Would running 
purge cycles with cleaning carts, then, be the only way to keep 
Eboni-K and dyes separate?)

 <snip> 
Regards,
John               




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Re: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?

2003-04-15 by John/Julie Gittins

Alessandro,

Good to hear that that things cleared up quickly.

I'm about to replace an FS/FSN black cart with one I ordered from MIS 
after the date that they announced a switchover of all their pigment blacks 
to Eboni. When I called to ask if the cart I received was really Eboni (it's 
labelled "FSN"), they said they didn't know because the old inks are 
being replaced piecemeal, and that the only way to tell is by the smell 
of the ink in the cart. I'm guessing Eboni smells different than FS/FSN-K
because it doesn't have the strong-smelling co-solvent. And I'm hoping 
for no smell plus no-gap nozzle-checks when I put the mystery K cart.

John
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---- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alessandro Pardi 
  To: 'DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 4:15 AM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?


  John,

  switching from OEM to Eboni carts is what I just did on my 1160 (see my
  latest post), and the reason I put the OEM inks is was exactly clogging.
  Just after switching carts I ran a nozzle check and the black was really
  horrible (about 50% missing), whereas the "grays" still were mostly C, M and
  Y, but a single nozzle clean made the printer ready. Four more A4 prints
  yesterday evening, and all is (still) well...

  Alessandro

  -----Original Message-----
  From: John/Julie Gittins [mailto:jgittins2@...]
  Sent: martedì 15 aprile 2003 4:55
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?


  On 04/14/2003, Paul Roark wrote:

  >What MIS has found is that if Eboni black (a very "high load" pigment ink)
  >is mixed with dye ink, the viscosity goes way up -- it will not print.  I
  >think if there was some Gen 4 Enhanced black (25% dye) in a CIS/CFS before
  >the Eboni was added, the system would clog.
  >
  >So, when switching to Ultra Tone B&W ink with Eboni black, one must use a
  >new CIS/CFS cartridge.  In large format printers that have had any dye in
  >the black, the system must be flushed.

  Paul,

  That mixing Eboni-K with some dye ink can likely result in clogs 
  seems a very important finding. Do you feel MIS has checked out 
  this connection sufficiently so that we can reliably expect large 
  viscosty increases whenever these 2 kinds of ink are mixed? For 
  instance, if someone using Gen4 enhanced-K in pre-filled carts 
  switched over to Eboni in pre-filled carts (just as they would 
  have when starting up with MIS FS-K after having used EPS OEM-K 
  in their printer), would the extra-viscosity effect be likely to 
  occur? 

  If the answer is "Yes" (and, hopefully, it isn't), then the 
  clog-clearing trick of sticking in EPS OEM dye carts might not work 
  with Eboni; it might, indeed, make things worse. (Would running 
  purge cycles with cleaning carts, then, be the only way to keep 
  Eboni-K and dyes separate?)

  <snip> 
  Regards,
  John               




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Re: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?

2003-04-15 by Chris Hargens

After some initial problems, I'm also running the Eboni black in my 
1160 without clogging or banding.

Chris Hargens


 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John/Julie 
Gittins" <jgittins2@m...> wrote:
> Alessandro,
> 
> Good to hear that that things cleared up quickly.
> 
> I'm about to replace an FS/FSN black cart with one I ordered from 
MIS 
> after the date that they announced a switchover of all their 
pigment blacks 
> to Eboni. When I called to ask if the cart I received was really 
Eboni (it's 
> labelled "FSN"), they said they didn't know because the old inks 
are 
> being replaced piecemeal, and that the only way to tell is by the 
smell 
> of the ink in the cart. I'm guessing Eboni smells different than 
FS/FSN-K
> because it doesn't have the strong-smelling co-solvent. And I'm 
hoping 
> for no smell plus no-gap nozzle-checks when I put the mystery K 
cart.
> 
> John
> 
> ---- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Alessandro Pardi 
>   To: 'DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com' 
>   Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 4:15 AM
>   Subject: RE: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?
> 
> 
>   John,
> 
>   switching from OEM to Eboni carts is what I just did on my 1160 
(see my
>   latest post), and the reason I put the OEM inks is was exactly 
clogging.
>   Just after switching carts I ran a nozzle check and the black was 
really
>   horrible (about 50% missing), whereas the "grays" still were 
mostly C, M and
>   Y, but a single nozzle clean made the printer ready. Four more A4 
prints
>   yesterday evening, and all is (still) well...
> 
>   Alessandro
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: John/Julie Gittins [mailto:jgittins2@m...]
>   Sent: martedì 15 aprile 2003 4:55
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?
> 
> 
>   On 04/14/2003, Paul Roark wrote:
> 
>   >What MIS has found is that if Eboni black (a very "high load" 
pigment ink)
>   >is mixed with dye ink, the viscosity goes way up -- it will not 
print.  I
>   >think if there was some Gen 4 Enhanced black (25% dye) in a 
CIS/CFS before
>   >the Eboni was added, the system would clog.
>   >
>   >So, when switching to Ultra Tone B&W ink with Eboni black, one 
must use a
>   >new CIS/CFS cartridge.  In large format printers that have had 
any dye in
>   >the black, the system must be flushed.
> 
>   Paul,
> 
>   That mixing Eboni-K with some dye ink can likely result in clogs 
>   seems a very important finding. Do you feel MIS has checked out 
>   this connection sufficiently so that we can reliably expect large 
>   viscosty increases whenever these 2 kinds of ink are mixed? For 
>   instance, if someone using Gen4 enhanced-K in pre-filled carts 
>   switched over to Eboni in pre-filled carts (just as they would 
>   have when starting up with MIS FS-K after having used EPS OEM-K 
>   in their printer), would the extra-viscosity effect be likely to 
>   occur? 
> 
>   If the answer is "Yes" (and, hopefully, it isn't), then the 
>   clog-clearing trick of sticking in EPS OEM dye carts might not 
work 
>   with Eboni; it might, indeed, make things worse. (Would running 
>   purge cycles with cleaning carts, then, be the only way to keep 
>   Eboni-K and dyes separate?)
> 
>   <snip> 
>   Regards,
>   John               
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?

2003-04-15 by Paul Roark

Ernst,

I don't have any details on what causes the Eboni-dye viscosity increase or
what should be used to flush large-format printers.  (I went straight from
Epson Archival black pigs to Eboni in my 7500 with no problems at all.)

I'll forward your question to MIS and report any answers I get.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
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> On 04/14/2003, Paul Roark wrote:
>
> >What MIS has found is that if Eboni black (a very "high load"
pigment ink)
> >is mixed with dye ink, the viscosity goes way up -- it will
not print.  I
> >think if there was some Gen 4 Enhanced black (25% dye) in a
CIS/CFS before
> >the Eboni was added, the system would clog.
> >
> >So, when switching to Ultra Tone B&W ink with Eboni black, one
must use a
> >new CIS/CFS cartridge.  In large format printers that have had
any dye in
> >the black, the system must be flushed.
>
> Paul,

Paul,

What kind of fluid can be used to clean a big 9000 CIS system of
all the dye inks that has been used in it ?
With a vacuum pump (+ a bottle in between) I can get all the dye
ink out and pull a cleaning liquid through the system and get it
more or less empty again but there will still be some cleaning
fluid or water left in the system. What actually triggers the
viscosity increase ?

Ernst







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RE: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?

2003-04-15 by Alessandro Pardi

Ah! Then it can well be that I got a regular good ol' FS black ink bottle.
I'll make the nose test and report (I still have a half bottle from a
previous FS set to compare).
 
Alessandro
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From: John/Julie Gittins [mailto:jgittins2@...]
Sent: martedì 15 aprile 2003 16:16
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?


Alessandro,

Good to hear that that things cleared up quickly.

I'm about to replace an FS/FSN black cart with one I ordered from MIS 
after the date that they announced a switchover of all their pigment blacks 
to Eboni. When I called to ask if the cart I received was really Eboni (it's

labelled "FSN"), they said they didn't know because the old inks are 
being replaced piecemeal, and that the only way to tell is by the smell 
of the ink in the cart. I'm guessing Eboni smells different than FS/FSN-K
because it doesn't have the strong-smelling co-solvent. And I'm hoping 
for no smell plus no-gap nozzle-checks when I put the mystery K cart.

John

---- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alessandro Pardi 
  To: 'DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 4:15 AM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?


  John,

  switching from OEM to Eboni carts is what I just did on my 1160 (see my
  latest post), and the reason I put the OEM inks is was exactly clogging.
  Just after switching carts I ran a nozzle check and the black was really
  horrible (about 50% missing), whereas the "grays" still were mostly C, M
and
  Y, but a single nozzle clean made the printer ready. Four more A4 prints
  yesterday evening, and all is (still) well...

  Alessandro

  -----Original Message-----
  From: John/Julie Gittins [mailto:jgittins2@...]
  Sent: martedì 15 aprile 2003 4:55
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?


  On 04/14/2003, Paul Roark wrote:

  >What MIS has found is that if Eboni black (a very "high load" pigment
ink)
  >is mixed with dye ink, the viscosity goes way up -- it will not print.  I
  >think if there was some Gen 4 Enhanced black (25% dye) in a CIS/CFS
before
  >the Eboni was added, the system would clog.
  >
  >So, when switching to Ultra Tone B&W ink with Eboni black, one must use a
  >new CIS/CFS cartridge.  In large format printers that have had any dye in
  >the black, the system must be flushed.

  Paul,

  That mixing Eboni-K with some dye ink can likely result in clogs 
  seems a very important finding. Do you feel MIS has checked out 
  this connection sufficiently so that we can reliably expect large 
  viscosty increases whenever these 2 kinds of ink are mixed? For 
  instance, if someone using Gen4 enhanced-K in pre-filled carts 
  switched over to Eboni in pre-filled carts (just as they would 
  have when starting up with MIS FS-K after having used EPS OEM-K 
  in their printer), would the extra-viscosity effect be likely to 
  occur? 

  If the answer is "Yes" (and, hopefully, it isn't), then the 
  clog-clearing trick of sticking in EPS OEM dye carts might not work 
  with Eboni; it might, indeed, make things worse. (Would running 
  purge cycles with cleaning carts, then, be the only way to keep 
  Eboni-K and dyes separate?)

  <snip> 
  Regards,
  John               




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RE: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?

2003-04-16 by Alessandro Pardi

Ok, test made. The good news is that I actually got Eboni black (you can't
go wrong: it smells more or less like paint, while my old FS black has the
pungent smell of solvent). The bad news is that yesterday evening I
experienced my first clog.
Nothing too serious, mind you: I switched the printer on, an after maybe one
hour I started printing, got severe banding in a dark area, and verified
that about 20% of the black nozzles weren't firing (and two in the cyan, as
well). After a couple of nozzle cleans, I switched the printer off and let
it rest for an hour, and after that all was fine, and I printed happily the
rest of the evening.
What encourages me is that it seems like a "normal" clog, and the fact that
it involved, although to a lesser degree, also the cyan gray, which is an
old ink, makes me think that it may just be that my 1160 is aging, or that
the new environment (I moved last winter) is more clog-prone. What makes me
a bit nervous, OTOH, is that I never experienced clogs in my previous 2
years of printing...
 
Alessandro
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-----Original Message-----
From: Alessandro Pardi [mailto:alessandro.pardi@...]
Sent: martedì 15 aprile 2003 17:11
To: 'DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?


Ah! Then it can well be that I got a regular good ol' FS black ink bottle.
I'll make the nose test and report (I still have a half bottle from a
previous FS set to compare).

Alessandro

-----Original Message-----
From: John/Julie Gittins [mailto:jgittins2@...]
Sent: martedì 15 aprile 2003 16:16
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?


Alessandro,

Good to hear that that things cleared up quickly.

I'm about to replace an FS/FSN black cart with one I ordered from MIS 
after the date that they announced a switchover of all their pigment blacks 
to Eboni. When I called to ask if the cart I received was really Eboni (it's

labelled "FSN"), they said they didn't know because the old inks are 
being replaced piecemeal, and that the only way to tell is by the smell 
of the ink in the cart. I'm guessing Eboni smells different than FS/FSN-K
because it doesn't have the strong-smelling co-solvent. And I'm hoping 
for no smell plus no-gap nozzle-checks when I put the mystery K cart.

John

---- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alessandro Pardi 
  To: 'DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 4:15 AM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?


  John,

  switching from OEM to Eboni carts is what I just did on my 1160 (see my
  latest post), and the reason I put the OEM inks is was exactly clogging.
  Just after switching carts I ran a nozzle check and the black was really
  horrible (about 50% missing), whereas the "grays" still were mostly C, M
and
  Y, but a single nozzle clean made the printer ready. Four more A4 prints
  yesterday evening, and all is (still) well...

  Alessandro

  -----Original Message-----
  From: John/Julie Gittins [mailto:jgittins2@...]
  Sent: martedì 15 aprile 2003 4:55
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?


  On 04/14/2003, Paul Roark wrote:

  >What MIS has found is that if Eboni black (a very "high load" pigment
ink)
  >is mixed with dye ink, the viscosity goes way up -- it will not print.  I
  >think if there was some Gen 4 Enhanced black (25% dye) in a CIS/CFS
before
  >the Eboni was added, the system would clog.
  >
  >So, when switching to Ultra Tone B&W ink with Eboni black, one must use a
  >new CIS/CFS cartridge.  In large format printers that have had any dye in
  >the black, the system must be flushed.

  Paul,

  That mixing Eboni-K with some dye ink can likely result in clogs 
  seems a very important finding. Do you feel MIS has checked out 
  this connection sufficiently so that we can reliably expect large 
  viscosty increases whenever these 2 kinds of ink are mixed? For 
  instance, if someone using Gen4 enhanced-K in pre-filled carts 
  switched over to Eboni in pre-filled carts (just as they would 
  have when starting up with MIS FS-K after having used EPS OEM-K 
  in their printer), would the extra-viscosity effect be likely to 
  occur? 

  If the answer is "Yes" (and, hopefully, it isn't), then the 
  clog-clearing trick of sticking in EPS OEM dye carts might not work 
  with Eboni; it might, indeed, make things worse. (Would running 
  purge cycles with cleaning carts, then, be the only way to keep 
  Eboni-K and dyes separate?)

  <snip> 
  Regards,
  John               




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Re: [Digital BW] RE: UltraTones - what to do?

2003-04-16 by colingruk

Thanks to so many of you,

My post on this seems to have sparked off some interesting 
contributions and discussion.  I am particularly grateful to Paul for 
his insights.

I think the solution for me would be to have a next generation 
2100/2200 with eight cartridges so that the matt black and photoblack 
are fitted permanently, automatically switching between these 
depending on whether reflective (photo) media is inserted or matt, 
and the use the Ultratones- all with a bulk feed system.

In the meantime (???) I will hasten slowly, and, when my 1290 Gen 4 
inkset is about to run out consider converting this to Ultratones 
using the bulk supply system I have now but with new empty carts, or, 
since a new 2100 here costs about US$1,250 and US$825(equiv) in the 
UK, IP5 lite may not be so expensive after all.

Colin

newbee question

2003-04-16 by mehrdad

pls show me the light however dim or bright. i just bought a new epson 890
printer at a great price (120usd after rebate) for b&w prints. the printer
is still in the box. i am looking for inks that are hassle free and works
flows that are pretty much auto. i am asking too much? my only constraint
are paper (epson glossy paper, costco special 100 for 20 and the epson
archival mat which sells for 14 for 50). both cost and quality is important
and i am shooting for good quality at moderate cost.
 
 
 
 
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RE: [Digital BW] newbee question

2003-04-17 by Paul Roark

Mehrdad,

You wrote:

> i just bought a new epson 890
>printer ... for b&w prints.

>i am looking for inks that are hassle free and works
>flows that are pretty much auto. i am asking too much?

Well, nothing is totally hassle free.  But most don't have too many problems
with the MIS VM inkset and free curves that are available to control it.

> my only constraint
>are paper (epson glossy paper, costco special 100 for 20 and the epson
>archival mat which sells for 14 for 50).

I favor pigmented inksets for longevity.  There is only one pigmented B&W
inkset that I am aware of that will print on glossy paper without a
post-printing spray to hold the pigment to the paper.  This is the new MIS
Ultra Tone B&W inkset.  Even with this inkset, like the Epson UltraChrome
inks, you will be best off using different black inks for the matte and
glossy paper.

Take a look at the MIS website at
http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/quadtone.html

Good luck.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Re: newbee question

2003-04-17 by Keith Cooper

>pls show me the light however dim or bright. i just bought a new epson 890
>printer at a great price (120usd after rebate) for b&w prints. the printer
>is still in the box. i am looking for inks that are hassle free and works
>flows that are pretty much auto. i am asking too much? my only constraint
>are paper (epson glossy paper, costco special 100 for 20 and the epson
>archival mat which sells for 14 for 50). both cost and quality is important
>and i am shooting for good quality at moderate cost.

Hi

First of all, have a look through the archives of this group. Several
threads relating to your question have been posted in the last few weeks...

My own preference is for Lyson SG inks. (I covered more detail in a post a
few days ago -- see also links in the site below).

I've found them easy to use (work in greyscale and convert to RGB for
printing),  but for optimal results (as with any b/w inkset) you will need
to match the paper and inks. The SG inks come with a leaflet (also available
on the Lyson site) covering how to use them. There is also more information
available from several suppliers sites (see links)

Starting out with a paper choice is possibly not the best route (unless you
have a really good supply ;-))  I can say, however that I've used both of
those papers with Lyson SG on an 1160 and despite not having profiles, the
results were quite reasonable.

Once you get into the printing I'm sure you'll want to look at some of the
more technical areas ... Don't be put off by some of the more esoteric stuff
discussed here on the list, there are lots of people who just get on with
printing their pictures as well :-)) :-))

bye for now   

Keith Cooper

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