Digital BW, The Print

Does anyone know of a paper (that doesn't brongz badly) that comes
very 
close to air dryed silver papers that I can use for black and white
printing on 
my 2200  ?  The closest thing I have found is the Epson Professional
Glossy 
but it is fairly lightweight and I would like something a little
heavier.  Kodak 
Ultima Satin is heavier wt. and has a great surface but the ink from
the 2200 
doesn't work well with this Kodak paper.  I don't like any paper that
has even a 
small stipple pattern (ie: epson semi gloss, luster, etc.)  

Thanks! Eleanor Brown

Eleanor,

you realize you are asking for the holy grail of digital bw printing! We've 
discussed these before... look at Ilford and upcoming Oriental as promising. 
Search the archives here for more.  Personally, I don't know of any paper that 
has the look and feel of the silver prints on glossy /air dried fiber  paper.

Antonis






--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "eleanor77027" 
<elliebrown@a...> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a paper (that doesn't brongz badly) that comes
> very 
> close to air dryed silver papers that I can use for black and white
> printing on 
> my 2200  ?

 ....


> Thanks! Eleanor Brown

At this point Epson Pro Glossy is as close as it gets.
As Antonis mentioned the next candidate will be Oriental's Fiber-Based Gloss
paper which is due out at the end of the summer and is being designed to
have a surface similar to their fiber-based photo gloss papers with the
identical backing paper.  They are specifically designing the paper to work
with the Ultrachromes and Epson Archival Pigments (10000).

In the meantime I'm dry mounting Epson Pro Glossy which seems to be a pretty
good solution...but probably not archival beyond 50 years.

Robert

On 4/30/03 11:06 AM, "Antonis Ricos" <antonisphoto@...> wrote:

> Eleanor,
> 
> you realize you are asking for the holy grail of digital bw printing! We've
> discussed these before... look at Ilford and upcoming Oriental as promising.
> Search the archives here for more.  Personally, I don't know of any paper that
> has the look and feel of the silver prints on glossy /air dried fiber  paper.
> 
> Antonis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "eleanor77027"
> <elliebrown@a...> wrote:
>> Does anyone know of a paper (that doesn't brongz badly) that comes
>> very 
>> close to air dryed silver papers that I can use for black and white
>> printing on 
>> my 2200  ?
> 
> ....
> 
> 
>> Thanks! Eleanor Brown
>

Robert, do you know if Oriental has solved the bronzing problem with
the 
Ultrachrome Inks?  the Epson Pro Glossy almost has it solved, but not
quite.   also, 
you say you are dry mounting the pro Glossy?  Do you have a
blistering problem with 
the heat?  I've never had any luck dry mounting ink jet papers (excpt
matte) even at 
low heat settings.  but then, I've never dry mounted the pro Glossy
either. Eleanor

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Robert Morrison 
<rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> At this point Epson Pro Glossy is as close as it gets.
> As Antonis mentioned the next candidate will be Oriental's
Fiber-Based Gloss
> paper which is due out at the end of the summer and is being
designed to
> have a surface similar to their fiber-based photo gloss papers with
the
> identical backing paper.  They are specifically designing the paper
to work
> with the Ultrachromes and Epson Archival Pigments (10000).
> 
> In the meantime I'm dry mounting Epson Pro Glossy which seems to be
a pretty

> good solution...but probably not archival beyond 50 years.
> 
> Robert
>

On 4/30/03 6:59 PM, "eleanor77027" <elliebrown@...> wrote:

> Robert, do you know if Oriental has solved the bronzing problem with
> the 
> Ultrachrome Inks?

No I don't, but that is what I believe they are working on now.

> the Epson Pro Glossy almost has it solved, but not
> quite.   also, 
> you say you are dry mounting the pro Glossy?  Do you have a
> blistering problem with
> the heat?  I've never had any luck dry mounting ink jet papers (excpt
> matte) even at 
> low heat settings.  but then, I've never dry mounted the pro Glossy
> either. Eleanor

No problem with 170.

Robert

> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Robert Morrison
> <rmorrison@p...> wrote:
>> At this point Epson Pro Glossy is as close as it gets.
>> As Antonis mentioned the next candidate will be Oriental's
> Fiber-Based Gloss
>> paper which is due out at the end of the summer and is being
> designed to
>> have a surface similar to their fiber-based photo gloss papers with
> the
>> identical backing paper.  They are specifically designing the paper
> to work
>> with the Ultrachromes and Epson Archival Pigments (10000).
>> 
>> In the meantime I'm dry mounting Epson Pro Glossy which seems to be
> a pretty
>> good solution...but probably not archival beyond 50 years.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
> 
> 
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Eleanor-

The best I've used is PictoRico Photo Gallery Glossy paper...some of 
their others are good, too and they publish free profiles for them.

Tom O'Connell


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "eleanor77027" 
<elliebrown@a...> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a paper (that doesn't brongz badly) that comes
> very 
> close to air dryed silver papers that I can use for black and white
> printing on 
> my 2200  ?  The closest thing I have found is the Epson Professional
> Glossy 
> but it is fairly lightweight and I would like something a little
> heavier.  Kodak 
> Ultima Satin is heavier wt. and has a great surface but the ink from
> the 2200 
> doesn't work well with this Kodak paper.  I don't like any paper 
that

> has even a 
> small stipple pattern (ie: epson semi gloss, luster, etc.)  
> 
> Thanks! Eleanor Brown

On 5/1/03 12:13 PM, "tomoc" <TomOC@...> wrote:

> PictoRico Photo Gallery Glossy paper

Tom,

Is this a high-gloss paper or more like the medium gloss that you get in an
air-dried silver print?  Have you seen the Epson Pro Glossy?  I'm wondering
how they compare in terms of gloss, texture and bronzing.  From the
description on their web page I get the impression that the Pictorico paper
was going for more of a high gloss look, and not really the "soft gloss"
more characteristic of the air-dried silver print...just curious.

Robert

Robert,

The Pictorico Premium Photo Glossy is a soft gloss paper most similar  
to Epson Pro Glossy.  The Pictorico Photo Gallery Glossy has a very  
high gloss.

Carl

On Thursday, May 1, 2003, at 04:19  PM, Robert Morrison wrote:

> On 5/1/03 12:13 PM, "tomoc" <TomOC@...> wrote:
>
>> PictoRico Photo Gallery Glossy paper
>
> Tom,
>
> Is this a high-gloss paper or more like the medium gloss that you get  
> in an
> air-dried silver print?  Have you seen the Epson Pro Glossy?  I'm  
> wondering
> how they compare in terms of gloss, texture and bronzing.  From the
> description on their web page I get the impression that the Pictorico  
> paper
> was going for more of a high gloss look, and not really the "soft  
> gloss"
> more characteristic of the air-dried silver print...just curious.
>
> Robert
>
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Carl is right...the only glossier is the PG High Gloss White 
Film...which if you like high gloss is really outstanding (and 
expensive).

I think the bronzing is far less on these PR papers but it's isn't 
always totally invisible.

tom


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Robert Morrison 
<rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> On 5/1/03 12:13 PM, "tomoc" <TomOC@s...> wrote:
> 
> > PictoRico Photo Gallery Glossy paper
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Is this a high-gloss paper or more like the medium gloss that you 
get in an
> air-dried silver print?  Have you seen the Epson Pro Glossy?  I'm 
wondering
> how they compare in terms of gloss, texture and bronzing.  From the
> description on their web page I get the impression that the 
Pictorico paper
> was going for more of a high gloss look, and not really the "soft 
gloss"

> more characteristic of the air-dried silver print...just curious.
> 
> Robert