On 6/12/03 12:03 PM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:
> Jack,
>
> You wrote:
>
>
>> ...The question is: 1280 or 2200?
>> As I understand, most of the BW inks are archival ...
>
> There are differences in degree here. The latest MIS Ultra Tone B&W,
> PiezoTone, and, to a lesser extent, UltraChromes are excellent.
>
> The older (first generation) pigmented inksets had some dye in them which
> would fade and cause a warm-shift. (This includes the PiezoBW [now
> Sundance?], MIS quad, FS and VM; although the MIS FS-N and vm-s [neutral] do
> not warm-shift significantly.)
>
> The second generation pigmented quads do not have any dyes in them, but the
> color pigments fade faster than the black pigment, with the magenta pigment
> showing the fastest fading in my tests. (Read green shift over the long
> run.)
>
> So, the most archival ink that I'm aware of would be the pure (usually
> carbon), warm black pigment with no color pigment. The Ultra Tone with the
> warm curve that almost eliminates the color pigments is, thus, probably the
> toughest of the bunch. The PiezoTone Warm Neutral tests out as the best of
> that set of inks. (Note that a black-only Eboni or Piezo Museum black might
> tie or even beat these inksets, but you'll have dots and possibly other
> artifacts.)
>
> The 2200 uses only color pigments for the highlights, having no really light
> gray ink. Also, the 2200 output I've see uses substantial color pigment in
> the midtone grays. Wilhelm rates the color UltraChromes at about 70 years
> but the B&W at 100+. The UC matte black and light black, like the MIS Ultra
> Tone matte black (Eboni) and light black are much better than even this.
> For example, the Ultra Tone inkset in my tests is more fade resistant than
> the Epson Archival inkset, which Epson still calls a 200+ year inkset on
> their non-US web pages.
>
>> Of course I am leaning toward 1280 for the price,
>
> Yes, there is that -- not only printer but inks and software needed to get
> the best image.
>
>> so I would like to
>> hear any advice against with the advantage of another (2200) if there is
>> any preference toward anything else.
>> I work on PC, so the Bouhaus is OFF LIMITS so far. ...
>
> I work on PC and also have no 2200 for comparison. The 2200 output I've
> seen has excellent tone but some dots in the highlights.
>
> Frankly, the ultimate setup for me would be a full quad and color printer
> with individually-controllable inks and RC compatibility. That just does
> not exist yet. But, when Bowhaus's system is available for PC and Epson
> releases an 8-ink printer ...
>
> For now, I'll stick with the MIS Ultra Tones and will set up a 1280 soon.
> The vm warm curve for that driver has always been a bit funky, but the 1270
> and 1290 drivers and curves seem to work well. I'll see if I can get a
> decent warm curve with the 1280 driver and the current UT inkset. There may
> also be some other options that I'll look at with the 1280 and UT inks --
> especially when the Bowhaus PC system is ready.
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
>
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