Digital BW, The Print

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Antonis Ricos" <antonisphoto@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:43 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: I am lost... (2)



> I plan to purchase the piezography system and a CIS for the 1290 unless I=

> have read there is a lot of other workflows available that could do a goo=
d
> work too ( Quadtonerip, imageprint ,??? ). And I don\ufffdt know if it works w=
ith
> OSX.

Aitor,

for OSX your main choices - as you say - are ImagePrint and QTRIP. If I wer=
e
you, I would contact Roy here, or Colorbyte directly and find out if that's=
 for
you. The nice thing about ImagePrint is that it will do both color and bw a=
nd
they will profile your papers for you. In fact, you may not need a dedicate=
d bw
sytem if you have a 2200 and like the look of Ultrachromes.

If you can run OS 9 on an older Mac, you can give IJC / OPM a try: it suppo=
rts
the 2200 and lets you make accurate bw profiles if you have a densitometer



>
> As far as the new 2200 I want to set up a versatile system. to use it to
> make my portfolio prints and to make pre-press proofs too.

Ask Colorbyte if they feel they can accompish that on the 2200. You may nee=
d
Postscript, too, so see what the price is. Otherwise, most prepress-type RI=
PS
run on Windows and you may have to look into that.



> I have been considering another 1290 with Generation4 or 5 as other
option.

Not if you have a 2200!


> In resume if you could tell me any advice about the "best"
> printer/inks/paper/ combo that could enlighten me would be appreciate.

One answer is to simplify mattters: Get a 2200 and see if that will do
everything you need. Start with Epson papers like EAM for matte, Lustre or =
Pr.
Glossy, try the Hahnemuhle papers for nicer look and feel in matte or the I=
lford
Smooth Pearl / Glossy for glossy .

if you feel so lost at this point, I say don't  use a 1290/CIS. Among other=
 things,
CIS systems are meant for daily use and high volume. If you let them sit fo=
r a
while, things happen that require more advanced intervention. Of course, if=

you run a very high volume of bw prints - at least on a weekly basis - the =
CIS
will save you money.  But there are CIS options and bulk inks also appearin=
g
now for the 2200. So, I'd say, spend your money and initial time on that
machine and see how it goes.

Hope this  helps a bit...

Antonis



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> Aitor,
> 
> The "Image Export BW" from bwguys.com (Sundance/R9) supports OS 8.5 through
> 10.2, Photoshop 5 and up, and the 1290 according to their website.
> 
> http://www.bwguys.com/software.aspx#imageexportbw
> 
> This is the same software as the Piezo plug-in but probably a newer version.
> You can use it with all of the Piezotone inks, Sundance inks and MIS Full
> Spectrum inks.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Antonis Ricos" <antonisphoto@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:43 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: I am lost... (2)
> 
> 
> 
>> I plan to purchase the piezography system and a CIS for the 1290 unless I=
> 
>> have read there is a lot of other workflows available that could do a goo=
> d
>> work too ( Quadtonerip, imageprint ,??? ). And I don´t know if it works w=
> ith
>> OSX.
> 
> Aitor,
> 
> for OSX your main choices - as you say - are ImagePrint and QTRIP. If I wer=
> e
> you, I would contact Roy here, or Colorbyte directly and find out if that's=
> for
> you. The nice thing about ImagePrint is that it will do both color and bw a=
> nd
> they will profile your papers for you. In fact, you may not need a dedicate=
> d bw
> sytem if you have a 2200 and like the look of Ultrachromes.
> 
> If you can run OS 9 on an older Mac, you can give IJC / OPM a try: it suppo=
> rts
> the 2200 and lets you make accurate bw profiles if you have a densitometer
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> As far as the new 2200 I want to set up a versatile system. to use it to
>> make my portfolio prints and to make pre-press proofs too.
> 
> Ask Colorbyte if they feel they can accompish that on the 2200. You may nee=
> d
> Postscript, too, so see what the price is. Otherwise, most prepress-type RI=
> PS
> run on Windows and you may have to look into that.
> 
> 
> 
>> I have been considering another 1290 with Generation4 or 5 as other
> option.
> 
> Not if you have a 2200!
> 
> 
>> In resume if you could tell me any advice about the "best"
>> printer/inks/paper/ combo that could enlighten me would be appreciate.
> 
> One answer is to simplify mattters: Get a 2200 and see if that will do
> everything you need. Start with Epson papers like EAM for matte, Lustre or =
> Pr.
> Glossy, try the Hahnemuhle papers for nicer look and feel in matte or the I=
> lford
> Smooth Pearl / Glossy for glossy .
> 
> if you feel so lost at this point, I say don't  use a 1290/CIS. Among other=
> things,
> CIS systems are meant for daily use and high volume. If you let them sit fo=
> r a
> while, things happen that require more advanced intervention. Of course, if=
> 
> you run a very high volume of bw prints - at least on a weekly basis - the =
> CIS
> will save you money.  But there are CIS options and bulk inks also appearin=
> g
> now for the 2200. So, I'd say, spend your money and initial time on that
> machine and see how it goes.
> 
> Hope this  helps a bit...
> 
> Antonis
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other
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From: "aitor Pe\ufffda Incl\ufffdn" <aitorpinclan@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: I am lost... (2)


> Hi Martin,
> I have take a view for this website but it isn't very informative.
> Best Regards
> Aitor

Aitor,

If you have questions about it you can ask them here or contact them by
e-mail. The product is basically identical to Piezograpy BW but updated with
additional paper profiles and platform support. Price is ~$150. At the
moment it remains the most straight forward way to begin printing with quad
inks.

Martin

> Martin Wesley  el 12/6/03 09:24 escribi\ufffd

> Aitor,
>
> The "Image Export BW" from bwguys.com (Sundance/R9) supports OS 8.5
through
> 10.2, Photoshop 5 and up, and the 1290 according to their website.
>
> http://www.bwguys.com/software.aspx#imageexportbw
>
> This is the same software as the Piezo plug-in but probably a newer
version.
> You can use it with all of the Piezotone inks, Sundance inks and MIS Full
> Spectrum inks.
>
(snip earlier)