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New UT curves for 1280 - downloaded

New UT curves for 1280 - downloaded

2003-07-01 by Jack M Kucy

I seem to have a problem with the new curves.  I downloaded them, tried to
follow all instructions and when I print the gray wedge using  UT80-N I 
can't
get consistent neutral gray across the wedge.  Some areas are very blue 
(60-90)
and the other very worm (with the pick about 25-35). I might have been doing
something completely wrong or... I got no idea.
I did even an experiment and printed the wedge (converted to RGB) which
I "color balanced" with magenta (to activate the cool ink) as follows:
shadows 0, -5, 0;  mid tones 0, -15, 0;  highlights 0, -10, 0.
It gave me wedge print of nice, consistently neutral gray.  
------
Can anyone summarize the workflow with these curves?  
I would appreciate that.
Thanks
Jack

_________________________________________________
Jack M Kucy
JMK Gallery (www.jmk-gallery.com)
917-991-2096     jmk@...
Member of ASMP (www.asmp.org)
_________________________________________________
...a riveder le stelle


Paul Roark wrote:

> >Can you by chance point me to a download site for your
> >new 1280 Ultra Tone curves?
>
> The curves are in the Files section of this forum at:
>
> Files > Ink Sets > MIS > MIS Ultra Tone Inks
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com




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RE: [Digital BW] New UT curves for 1280 - downloaded

2003-07-01 by Paul Roark

The new 1280 Ultra Tone curves use the same basic workflow as the old vm
curves (edit in grayscale, save file, convert file to RGB, apply curves, and
print).

They, of course, were written for the Ultra Tone B&W inks, not the old MIS
VM inks.

There are significant differences in settings.  The new curves use "No Color
Adjustment" in the driver color management section.  This disables the
sliders but makes the curves cross-platform.  Also, the RGB type should be
Adobe RGB (1998). (This is set in Edit, Color Settings;  I set all to PS5
defaults and then just change RGB to Adobe (1998).)

The paper setting is Photo Paper, and the resolution should be 1440.

As before, these curves were written for EAM/EEM.

Let me know how it goes.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jack M Kucy [mailto:jmk@...]
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 11:38 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] New UT curves for 1280 - downloaded


I seem to have a problem with the new curves.  I downloaded them, tried to
follow all instructions and when I print the gray wedge using  UT80-N I
can't
get consistent neutral gray across the wedge.  Some areas are very blue
(60-90)
and the other very worm (with the pick about 25-35). I might have been doing
something completely wrong or... I got no idea.
I did even an experiment and printed the wedge (converted to RGB) which
I "color balanced" with magenta (to activate the cool ink) as follows:
shadows 0, -5, 0;  mid tones 0, -15, 0;  highlights 0, -10, 0.
It gave me wedge print of nice, consistently neutral gray.
------
Can anyone summarize the workflow with these curves?
I would appreciate that.
Thanks
Jack

_________________________________________________
Jack M Kucy
JMK Gallery (www.jmk-gallery.com)
917-991-2096     jmk@...
Member of ASMP (www.asmp.org)
_________________________________________________
...a riveder le stelle


Paul Roark wrote:

> >Can you by chance point me to a download site for your
> >new 1280 Ultra Tone curves?
>
> The curves are in the Files section of this forum at:
>
> Files > Ink Sets > MIS > MIS Ultra Tone Inks
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com




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Re: [Digital BW] New UT curves for 1280 - downloaded

2003-07-01 by mccarvill

FWIW, I'm using your 1280 VM curves with UT on Pictorico Photo 
Gallery Glossy and Brightcube Glossy (paper setting = premium glossy, 
color management = off), with very nice results (thanks, Paul!). I 
have to print at 2880, however, to eliminate banding. And I'm still 
looking for a way to eliminate those annoying pizza wheel marks 
(suggestions welcome on that one).

I tested the 1280 UT neutral curve along side the VM neutral curve, 
but the UT-curve half of the print was much colder (had a bluish 
cast) and there was some slight banding present (test also done at 
2880).

Might a curve made for printing UT on glossy paper at 2880 produce 
significantly better results and, if so, is that on your to-do list 
by any chance?

Cheers,

Mark  



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> The new 1280 Ultra Tone curves use the same basic workflow as the 
old vm
> curves (edit in grayscale, save file, convert file to RGB, apply 
curves, and
> print).
> 
> They, of course, were written for the Ultra Tone B&W inks, not the 
old MIS
> VM inks.
> 
> There are significant differences in settings.  The new curves 
use "No Color
> Adjustment" in the driver color management section.  This disables 
the
> sliders but makes the curves cross-platform.  Also, the RGB type 
should be
> Adobe RGB (1998). (This is set in Edit, Color Settings;  I set all 
to PS5
> defaults and then just change RGB to Adobe (1998).)
> 
> The paper setting is Photo Paper, and the resolution should be 1440.
> 
> As before, these curves were written for EAM/EEM.
> 
> Let me know how it goes.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> ________________________________________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack M Kucy [mailto:jmk@j...]
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 11:38 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] New UT curves for 1280 - downloaded
> 
> 
> I seem to have a problem with the new curves.  I downloaded them, 
tried to
> follow all instructions and when I print the gray wedge using  UT80-
N I
> can't
> get consistent neutral gray across the wedge.  Some areas are very 
blue
> (60-90)
> and the other very worm (with the pick about 25-35). I might have 
been doing
> something completely wrong or... I got no idea.
> I did even an experiment and printed the wedge (converted to RGB) 
which
> I "color balanced" with magenta (to activate the cool ink) as 
follows:
> shadows 0, -5, 0;  mid tones 0, -15, 0;  highlights 0, -10, 0.
> It gave me wedge print of nice, consistently neutral gray.
> ------
> Can anyone summarize the workflow with these curves?
> I would appreciate that.
> Thanks
> Jack
> 
> _________________________________________________
> Jack M Kucy
> JMK Gallery (www.jmk-gallery.com)
> 917-991-2096     jmk@j...
> Member of ASMP (www.asmp.org)
> _________________________________________________
> ...a riveder le stelle
> 
> 
> Paul Roark wrote:
> 
> > >Can you by chance point me to a download site for your
> > >new 1280 Ultra Tone curves?
> >
> > The curves are in the Files section of this forum at:
> >
> > Files > Ink Sets > MIS > MIS Ultra Tone Inks
> >
> > Paul
> > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
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RE: New UT curves for 1280 - downloaded

2003-07-02 by William B. Strong, Jr.

Paul,

Do these settings also apply to the new 1160 UT curves? I am 
replacing my VM CIS with a new UT CIS.

Regards,

Bill
________________________________________________________________________
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    Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:14:14 -0700
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    From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
Subject: RE: New UT curves for 1280 - downloaded

The new 1280 Ultra Tone curves use the same basic workflow as the old vm
curves (edit in grayscale, save file, convert file to RGB, apply curves, and
print).

They, of course, were written for the Ultra Tone B&W inks, not the old MIS
VM inks.

There are significant differences in settings.  The new curves use "No Color
Adjustment" in the driver color management section.  This disables the
sliders but makes the curves cross-platform.  Also, the RGB type should be
Adobe RGB (1998). (This is set in Edit, Color Settings;  I set all to PS5
defaults and then just change RGB to Adobe (1998).)

The paper setting is Photo Paper, and the resolution should be 1440.

As before, these curves were written for EAM/EEM.

Let me know how it goes.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
________________________________________

RE: [Digital BW] RE: New UT curves for 1280 - downloaded

2003-07-02 by Paul Roark

Bill,

You wrote:

>Do these settings also apply to the new 1160 UT curves?

The new 1160 UT curves use Adobe RGB (1998) and No Color Adjustment, but
leave the paper type HW Matte.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

__________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 4
    Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:14:14 -0700
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    From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
Subject: RE: New UT curves for 1280 - downloaded

The new 1280 Ultra Tone curves use the same basic workflow as the old vm
curves (edit in grayscale, save file, convert file to RGB, apply curves, and
print).

They, of course, were written for the Ultra Tone B&W inks, not the old MIS
VM inks.

There are significant differences in settings.  The new curves use "No Color
Adjustment" in the driver color management section.  This disables the
sliders but makes the curves cross-platform.  Also, the RGB type should be
Adobe RGB (1998). (This is set in Edit, Color Settings;  I set all to PS5
defaults and then just change RGB to Adobe (1998).)

The paper setting is Photo Paper, and the resolution should be 1440.

As before, these curves were written for EAM/EEM.

Let me know how it goes.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
________________________________________


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RE: New UT curves for 1280 - downloaded

2003-07-03 by mike rott

>
>
>As before, these curves were written for EAM/EEM.
>
>Let me know how it goes.
>
>Paul
>http://www.PaulRoark.com
>________________________________________

Paul,

I downloaded your new curves for the 1280 and UT inks and gave then a 
quick try this evening. All I can say is wow! These are some of the 
nicest B&W prints I have made so far, very smooth tones. These inks 
and curves are a real winner. I really want to thank you for all your 
efforts designing the inkset and making the curves. Your generosity 
in freely sharing your hard work and talent I find remarkable, and it 
is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.


By the way, I have been in the process of moving (just bought my 
first house) over the last few weeks and the UT inks have been 
sitting in the printer about 4-5 weeks boxed up. After unpacking, I 
went to make my first print today using the new curves and did an 
initial nozzle check. Perfect nozzle check, no clogs.

mike rott

Re: New UT curves for 1280 - downloaded

2003-07-03 by c2c_ic

I agree with Mike,
 Thank u Paul 4 all yur work n efforts. They r appreciated and u r 
very generous with both yur work and yur time. You have helped me on 
many occasions, i know. best regards always Paul.



                      Tim








--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, mike rott 
<mike.rott@u...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >As before, these curves were written for EAM/EEM.
> >
> >Let me know how it goes.
> >
> >Paul
> >http://www.PaulRoark.com
> >________________________________________
> 
> Paul,
> 
> I downloaded your new curves for the 1280 and UT inks and gave then 
a 
> quick try this evening. All I can say is wow! These are some of the 
> nicest B&W prints I have made so far, very smooth tones. These inks 
> and curves are a real winner. I really want to thank you for all 
your 
> efforts designing the inkset and making the curves. Your generosity 
> in freely sharing your hard work and talent I find remarkable, and 
it 
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> is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> By the way, I have been in the process of moving (just bought my 
> first house) over the last few weeks and the UT inks have been 
> sitting in the printer about 4-5 weeks boxed up. After unpacking, I 
> went to make my first print today using the new curves and did an 
> initial nozzle check. Perfect nozzle check, no clogs.
> 
> mike rott

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