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Just starting, seek printer recommendation

2001-10-01 by William M. Gatesman

I want to set up a digital darkroom to do black and white work with quadtone
inks.  I am considering a Nikon 8000E scanner.  I am unsure about which
printer to purchase.  Some ink sellers recommend Epson 3000 (apparently
still available new) and Epson 1160 (discontinued and very hard if not
impossible to find from my review of web vendors).  I note also that MIS now
has software to "recharge" the chip on Epson ink cartridges -- does this
allow one to use quadtone inks with the newer printers that use cartridges
with microchips.

To cut to the chase, if you were starting fresh, what printer would you buy
(excluding the Epson 7000 which is beyond my budget) for inhome use?  And,
notwithstanding your answer to that question, is there another printer you
might also recommend?  Why?

I would appreciate any comments or advice you might share concerning this
issue.
William M. Gatesman
P.O. Box 3809
Silver Spring, MD 20918
Phone(301)681-3377
Fax (301) 681-9849
wgates@...






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RE: [Digital BW] Just starting, seek printer recommendation

2001-10-01 by Nij

Hi William,

There are many 'files' in this group that have very useful information about
possible choices for the manufacturer / supplier of quadtone ink solutions.
I mean, ways to print B&W !

Unfortunately, you choice of ink suppier may define your choice of printer,
as for Conetech Piezoghraphy I would recommend an older printer like the
1200 or 1160 if you can get one, or wait a VERY short while before the 1290
is supported. But, with Piezo, you gain no advantage from running a six
colour printer, IMO.

MIS VM inks do benefit from the lastest 2880 dpi printers.

I personally like (and resell) Piezo BW. I have some MIS VM inks and if I
like them (when I get round to trying them!) I might consider reselling them
also. There are also quadtone alternatives from Lyson, Lincoln Inks, and
alternatives from MIS etc etc... many of which for some reason have not
received as much discussion on this list.

Whichever way, don't worry about those nasty chips - there are ways an means
of circumventing them, be they '100% full chips' on the NoMoreCarts CIS or
alternative means through MIS software... though either solution will cost
you a little more compared to the ink systems for older non-chipped carts.

Nij
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: William M. Gatesman [mailto:wgates@...]
> Sent: 01 October 2001 16:04
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Just starting, seek printer recommendation
>
>
> I want to set up a digital darkroom to do black and white work
> with quadtone
> inks.  I am considering a Nikon 8000E scanner.  I am unsure about which
> printer to purchase.  Some ink sellers recommend Epson 3000 (apparently
> still available new) and Epson 1160 (discontinued and very hard if not
> impossible to find from my review of web vendors).  I note also
> that MIS now
> has software to "recharge" the chip on Epson ink cartridges -- does this
> allow one to use quadtone inks with the newer printers that use cartridges
> with microchips.
>
> To cut to the chase, if you were starting fresh, what printer
> would you buy
> (excluding the Epson 7000 which is beyond my budget) for inhome use?  And,
> notwithstanding your answer to that question, is there another printer you
> might also recommend?  Why?
>
> I would appreciate any comments or advice you might share concerning this
> issue.
> William M. Gatesman
> P.O. Box 3809
> Silver Spring, MD 20918
> Phone(301)681-3377
> Fax (301) 681-9849
> wgates@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Just starting, seek printer recommendation

2001-10-01 by Martin Wesley

William,

Both the 3000 and the 1160 have the longest track record with quad 
inks and have the most options available. If you need to do 17" wide 
prints then the 3000 is the first choice. The 1520 is still available 
from Epson new. I never hear anthing about this printer fro quads but 
I gather it has transport problems.

I would proceed with caution in buying a new 3000. Stocks seem to be 
dwindling and some of the retailers out there are less then honest. 
People looking for new 1160's have ordered on the assurance that the 
printer was in stock only to find that there money was being held 
while the retailer waited for some to come in.

I would recommend the 1160 but my confidence level in your finding 
one is not high.

Both printers are available new from Europe but you will have to deal 
with shipping costs, duty and possibly a lack of warrentee support 
from Epson.

Of the new, in production printers the 1280 looks to be the way to 
go. Piezo for the 1280 has been promised this week and the MIS VM 
inks can also be used. I suspect this may become the next quad 
standard if Epson doesn't replace it too quickly. The quad ink 
manufacturers are having a hard time keeping up with Epson's ever 
changing product line-up.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "William M. Gatesman" 
<wgates@a...> wrote:
> I want to set up a digital darkroom to do black and white work with 
quadtone
> inks.  I am considering a Nikon 8000E scanner.  I am unsure about 
which
> printer to purchase.  Some ink sellers recommend Epson 3000 
(apparently
> still available new) and Epson 1160 (discontinued and very hard if 
not
> impossible to find from my review of web vendors).  I note also 
that MIS now
> has software to "recharge" the chip on Epson ink cartridges -- does 
this
> allow one to use quadtone inks with the newer printers that use 
cartridges
> with microchips.
> 
> To cut to the chase, if you were starting fresh, what printer would 
you buy
> (excluding the Epson 7000 which is beyond my budget) for inhome 
use?  And,
> notwithstanding your answer to that question, is there another 
printer you
> might also recommend?  Why?
> 
> I would appreciate any comments or advice you might share 
concerning this
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> issue.
> William M. Gatesman
> P.O. Box 3809
> Silver Spring, MD 20918
> Phone(301)681-3377
> Fax (301) 681-9849
> wgates@a...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Just starting, seek printer recommendation

2001-10-01 by Steadman Uhlich

Simple solution for a beginning: 

1.  Buy an Epson 8xx format printer that is cheap (about $199 or less)

2.  Buy the PiezoBW software and a set of PiezoBW carts.  The software has profiles for over 27 papers. 

3.  Buy a sample pak of various papers from Inkjetmall.com 

4.  Calibrate your monitor. 

5.  Follow the simple instructions (to the letter) that come with the PiezoBW software.

6.  Be amazed!

7.  After you have been suitably amazed....then experiment with different papers.   Later, you can decide if you need a wide format printer and also if you need to buy a CIS...or if you want to try carts with other inks such as the MISFS.  

8.  If you are not amazed, you still have a decent office printer and have only spent the money on a set of carts and some software (the expensive part).  

Good luck, 
Steadman
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William M. Gatesman 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:04 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Just starting, seek printer recommendation


  I want to set up a digital darkroom to do black and white work with quadtone
  inks.  I am considering a Nikon 8000E scanner.  I am unsure about which
  printer to purchase.  Some ink sellers recommend Epson 3000 (apparently
  still available new) and Epson 1160 (discontinued and very hard if not
  impossible to find from my review of web vendors).  I note also that MIS now
  has software to "recharge" the chip on Epson ink cartridges -- does this
  allow one to use quadtone inks with the newer printers that use cartridges
  with microchips.

  To cut to the chase, if you were starting fresh, what printer would you buy
  (excluding the Epson 7000 which is beyond my budget) for inhome use?  And,
  notwithstanding your answer to that question, is there another printer you
  might also recommend?  Why?

  I would appreciate any comments or advice you might share concerning this
  issue.
  William M. Gatesman
  P.O. Box 3809
  Silver Spring, MD 20918
  Phone(301)681-3377
  Fax (301) 681-9849
  wgates@...






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Re: [Digital BW] Just starting, seek printer recommendation

2001-10-02 by Martin Wesley

Steadman,

A good piece of advice and a very reasonable way to jump in and test 
the waters.

I just need to throw in that Epson has killed the 8xx series except 
for the 890, which is not supported by Piezo. Also that Piezo is not 
available for the 870 or the 875.

I think the best bet for the approach you out line is the 980 (~$199) 
which is supposed to be a very robust printer. The Piezo kit for this 
is $335 so you can get going for around $550 or less. The 980 is the 
only remaining unchipped cartridge printer in the Epson line and has 
gone "Temporarily Out of Stock" on the Epson store. I suspect that 
its days are numbered so get one quick.

I don't have any info on the availability of refurbished 800, 850 or 
860 models but they may be out there.

Martin


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> Simple solution for a beginning: 
> 
> 1.  Buy an Epson 8xx format printer that is cheap (about $199 or 
less)
> 
> 2.  Buy the PiezoBW software and a set of PiezoBW carts.  The 
software has profiles for over 27 papers. 
> 
> 3.  Buy a sample pak of various papers from Inkjetmall.com 
> 
> 4.  Calibrate your monitor. 
> 
> 5.  Follow the simple instructions (to the letter) that come with 
the PiezoBW software.
> 
> 6.  Be amazed!
> 
> 7.  After you have been suitably amazed....then experiment with 
different papers.   Later, you can decide if you need a wide format 
printer and also if you need to buy a CIS...or if you want to try 
carts with other inks such as the MISFS.  
> 
> 8.  If you are not amazed, you still have a decent office printer 
and have only spent the money on a set of carts and some software 
(the expensive part).  
> 
> Good luck, 
> Steadman 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: William M. Gatesman 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y... 
>   Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:04 AM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Just starting, seek printer recommendation
> 
> 
>   I want to set up a digital darkroom to do black and white work 
with quadtone
>   inks.  I am considering a Nikon 8000E scanner.  I am unsure about 
which
>   printer to purchase.  Some ink sellers recommend Epson 3000 
(apparently
>   still available new) and Epson 1160 (discontinued and very hard 
if not
>   impossible to find from my review of web vendors).  I note also 
that MIS now
>   has software to "recharge" the chip on Epson ink cartridges -- 
does this
>   allow one to use quadtone inks with the newer printers that use 
cartridges
>   with microchips.
> 
>   To cut to the chase, if you were starting fresh, what printer 
would you buy
>   (excluding the Epson 7000 which is beyond my budget) for inhome 
use?  And,
>   notwithstanding your answer to that question, is there another 
printer you
>   might also recommend?  Why?
> 
>   I would appreciate any comments or advice you might share 
concerning this
>   issue.
>   William M. Gatesman
>   P.O. Box 3809
>   Silver Spring, MD 20918
>   Phone(301)681-3377
>   Fax (301) 681-9849
>   wgates@a...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Just starting, seek printer recommendation

2001-10-02 by Sam A. McCandless

What's the case for an 8xx printer instead of the also-inexpensive 
980? I thought I might get one of those to reproduce some old family 
photos (all BW prints (no negs), all small, all warm, no glossy) I 
want to share with my relatives.

Sam
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>Simple solution for a beginning:
>
>1.  Buy an Epson 8xx format printer that is cheap (about $199 or less)
>
>2.  Buy the PiezoBW software and a set of PiezoBW carts.  The 
>software has profiles for over 27 papers.
>
>3.  Buy a sample pak of various papers from Inkjetmall.com
>
>4.  Calibrate your monitor.
>
>5.  Follow the simple instructions (to the letter) that come with 
>the PiezoBW software.
>
>6.  Be amazed!
>
>7.  After you have been suitably amazed....then experiment with 
>different papers.   Later, you can decide if you need a wide format 
>printer and also if you need to buy a CIS...or if you want to try 
>carts with other inks such as the MISFS.
>
>8.  If you are not amazed, you still have a decent office printer 
>and have only spent the money on a set of carts and some software 
>(the expensive part).
>
>Good luck,
>Steadman
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: William M. Gatesman
>  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:04 AM
>  Subject: [Digital BW] Just starting, seek printer recommendation
>
>
>  I want to set up a digital darkroom to do black and white work with quadtone
>  inks.  I am considering a Nikon 8000E scanner.  I am unsure about which
>  printer to purchase.  Some ink sellers recommend Epson 3000 (apparently
>  still available new) and Epson 1160 (discontinued and very hard if not
>  impossible to find from my review of web vendors).  I note also that MIS now
>  has software to "recharge" the chip on Epson ink cartridges -- does this
>  allow one to use quadtone inks with the newer printers that use cartridges
>  with microchips.
>
>  To cut to the chase, if you were starting fresh, what printer would you buy
>  (excluding the Epson 7000 which is beyond my budget) for inhome use?  And,
>  notwithstanding your answer to that question, is there another printer you
>  might also recommend?  Why?
>
>  I would appreciate any comments or advice you might share concerning this
>  issue.
>  William M. Gatesman
>  P.O. Box 3809
>  Silver Spring, MD 20918
>  Phone(301)681-3377
>  Fax (301) 681-9849
>  wgates@...

Re: [Digital BW] Just starting, seek printer recommendation

2001-10-02 by Steadman Uhlich

Sam, 
Just check with Inkjetmall and get a printer that is supported by their software and has carts or CIS available.  Check their website for info.  

Steadman
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sam A. McCandless 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 7:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Just starting, seek printer recommendation


  What's the case for an 8xx printer instead of the also-inexpensive 
  980? I thought I might get one of those to reproduce some old family 
  photos (all BW prints (no negs), all small, all warm, no glossy) I 
  want to share with my relatives.

  Sam


  >Simple solution for a beginning:
  >
  >1.  Buy an Epson 8xx format printer that is cheap (about $199 or less)
  >
  >2.  Buy the PiezoBW software and a set of PiezoBW carts.  The 
  >software has profiles for over 27 papers.
  >
  >3.  Buy a sample pak of various papers from Inkjetmall.com
  >
  >4.  Calibrate your monitor.
  >
  >5.  Follow the simple instructions (to the letter) that come with 
  >the PiezoBW software.
  >
  >6.  Be amazed!
  >
  >7.  After you have been suitably amazed....then experiment with 
  >different papers.   Later, you can decide if you need a wide format 
  >printer and also if you need to buy a CIS...or if you want to try 
  >carts with other inks such as the MISFS.
  >
  >8.  If you are not amazed, you still have a decent office printer 
  >and have only spent the money on a set of carts and some software 
  >(the expensive part).
  >
  >Good luck,
  >Steadman
  >
  >
  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >  From: William M. Gatesman
  >  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  >  Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:04 AM
  >  Subject: [Digital BW] Just starting, seek printer recommendation
  >
  >
  >  I want to set up a digital darkroom to do black and white work with quadtone
  >  inks.  I am considering a Nikon 8000E scanner.  I am unsure about which
  >  printer to purchase.  Some ink sellers recommend Epson 3000 (apparently
  >  still available new) and Epson 1160 (discontinued and very hard if not
  >  impossible to find from my review of web vendors).  I note also that MIS now
  >  has software to "recharge" the chip on Epson ink cartridges -- does this
  >  allow one to use quadtone inks with the newer printers that use cartridges
  >  with microchips.
  >
  >  To cut to the chase, if you were starting fresh, what printer would you buy
  >  (excluding the Epson 7000 which is beyond my budget) for inhome use?  And,
  >  notwithstanding your answer to that question, is there another printer you
  >  might also recommend?  Why?
  >
  >  I would appreciate any comments or advice you might share concerning this
  >  issue.
  >  William M. Gatesman
  >  P.O. Box 3809
  >  Silver Spring, MD 20918
  >  Phone(301)681-3377
  >  Fax (301) 681-9849
  >  wgates@...


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