Digital BW, The Print

Hi All,

For the people that are using the new UT curves for the 1160 - is
there a neutral curve available?  All three seem to give me fairly
warm prints.  They are very good but I was wondering about the neutral
possiblity.

Thanks,

Richard Cooke

Richard,

I've attached the curves I have.  There should be a distinct difference
among them.  I've also attached a text file that may have some useful
information.

Be sure you are converting to RGB before printing.

Just in case the ink toner is wrong, print a purge pattern and be sure the
yellow position ink is bluish.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Cooke [mailto:rcooke@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 4:06 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Paul's new 1160 UT curves


Hi All,

For the people that are using the new UT curves for the 1160 - is
there a neutral curve available?  All three seem to give me fairly
warm prints.  They are very good but I was wondering about the neutral
possiblity.

Thanks,

Richard Cooke



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New 1160 Variable-tone, cross-platform Ultra Tone curves:


I have made some new curves for the 1160 to control the MIS Ultra Tone B&W inkset.  
There are two sets.  One (for example UT11 ...) set is for Epson Enhanced/Archival matte.  
The second set (UT-EUS ...) is for the soon-to-be-released Epson UltraSmooth cotton 
based, no-optical-brightener (truly archival) matte paper.

(Note that I use EEM routinely for drafts, sample prints, display 
prints that are not going to be sold as archival, and many other purposes.  
I think it is an excellent value and paper for up to 30 year 
life-expectancy work. I use cotton-based paper for limited-edition, 
numbered, signed prints or wherever print life of more than 30 years is wanted.  
I think the new Epson UltraSmooth is the best, in part because it does not 
have the flaking problems of the other cotton papers.  
I think the cotton paper with carbon pigments (no dyes) is archival; 
I do not consider EEM/EAM to be archival.)

The new curves produce 4 very useful tones.  The "UT11-N1" is neutral, similar to a 
"selenium" tone; "UT11-MW-3" is 0.03 units warm, similar to PiezoTone WN & FS; 
UT11-C+3 is 0.03 units cool, about like the old "nc" curve with the vm inkset; 
and UT11-W1 is 0.10 units warm, about twice as warm as the old vm inkset or 
the original MIS quads.  

The curves are much smoother than the old vm curves.  I have been told some 
don't even see the dots even with a loupe.  

The UT11 curves are cross-platform, running on PC and Mac.

Resin coated papers can be printed with the UT inkset about as well as 
the UltraChrome inkset.  As with the UltraChrome inkset, a "Photo Black" 
must be used.  MIS has a fine one.  Most of the RC papers have some reflective 
artifacts (like bronzing or slight dusting), but this is typical of all pigments on 
RC papers.  Cheap Epson Glossy Photo Paper (available at Costco) is 
the most free of these defects.)  I think matte paper is still the most 
reliable and what I'll mostly use.

For the UT curves, I use "No Color Adjustment" (in the driver color
management box) and Adobe RGB (1998) (Edit, Color Settings).

I hope these prove useful.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com


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Where are these new curves?




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Richard,
> 
> I've attached the curves I have.  There should be a distinct difference
> among them.  I've also attached a text file that may have some useful
> information.
> 
> Be sure you are converting to RGB before printing.
> 
> Just in case the ink toner is wrong, print a purge pattern and be sure the
> yellow position ink is bluish.
> 
> Paul
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Cooke [mailto:rcooke@r...]
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 4:06 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Paul's new 1160 UT curves
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> For the people that are using the new UT curves for the 1160 - is
> there a neutral curve available?  All three seem to give me fairly
> warm prints.  They are very good but I was wondering about the neutral
> possiblity.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Richard Cooke
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to
> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same
> page.
> 
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
> them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
> resources on the homepage.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> 
> 
> 
>   ----------
> 
> New 1160 Variable-tone, cross-platform Ultra Tone curves:
> 
> 
> I have made some new curves for the 1160 to control the MIS Ultra Tone B&W 
inkset.  
> There are two sets.  One (for example UT11 ...) set is for Epson Enhanced/Archival 
matte.  
> The second set (UT-EUS ...) is for the soon-to-be-released Epson UltraSmooth 
cotton 

> based, no-optical-brightener (truly archival) matte paper.
> 
> (Note that I use EEM routinely for drafts, sample prints, display 
> prints that are not going to be sold as archival, and many other purposes.  
> I think it is an excellent value and paper for up to 30 year 
> life-expectancy work. I use cotton-based paper for limited-edition, 
> numbered, signed prints or wherever print life of more than 30 years is wanted.  
> I think the new Epson UltraSmooth is the best, in part because it does not 
> have the flaking problems of the other cotton papers.  
> I think the cotton paper with carbon pigments (no dyes) is archival; 
> I do not consider EEM/EAM to be archival.)
> 
> The new curves produce 4 very useful tones.  The "UT11-N1" is neutral, similar to a 
> "selenium" tone; "UT11-MW-3" is 0.03 units warm, similar to PiezoTone WN & FS; 
> UT11-C+3 is 0.03 units cool, about like the old "nc" curve with the vm inkset; 
> and UT11-W1 is 0.10 units warm, about twice as warm as the old vm inkset or 
> the original MIS quads.  
> 
> The curves are much smoother than the old vm curves.  I have been told some 
> don't even see the dots even with a loupe.  
> 
> The UT11 curves are cross-platform, running on PC and Mac.
> 
> Resin coated papers can be printed with the UT inkset about as well as 
> the UltraChrome inkset.  As with the UltraChrome inkset, a "Photo Black" 
> must be used.  MIS has a fine one.  Most of the RC papers have some reflective 
> artifacts (like bronzing or slight dusting), but this is typical of all pigments on 
> RC papers.  Cheap Epson Glossy Photo Paper (available at Costco) is 
> the most free of these defects.)  I think matte paper is still the most 
> reliable and what I'll mostly use.
> 
> For the UT curves, I use "No Color Adjustment" (in the driver color
> management box) and Adobe RGB (1998) (Edit, Color Settings).
> 
> I hope these prove useful.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>Where are these new curves?

I thought the Files section and MIS had them.

I'll send the full non-sepia set to the appropriate people.  I have curves
for both EAM/EEM and the new (was to be released this month) Epson
UltraSmooth Fine Art (EUS?).

This new cotton, non-optical-brightened paper appears to be the first cotton
paper that does not have a problem with flaking.  I also find the lack of
optical brighteners a plus.  The paper tone looks great next to matte board
(I use Light Impressions Exeter Gallery White), which allows a plain paper
boarder to show for signing.  (A brightened EAM board next to the creamy
white over mat looks bad, in my opinion.)

The sepia toner & curves just pull the already warm gray inks to full sepia.
I'd only recommend them if you want to dedicate a machine to sepia.  The
UT-Sepia inkset, unlike the vm-s inkset, will not print a neutral tone.  The
toner is designed to allow the Bowhaus system to pull the gray inks either
direction.  Now if Bowhaus will just get me a PC version ....

I really only use sepia for competitions with color prints, where it really
helps offset the lack of color in the B&W print.  Since the toner has yellow
and magenta pigments in it, there is metamerism (although it is hidden by
the sepia tone) and the ink will not be as fade resistant as the UT warm
curve (almost pure carbon).  So, for old photo reproductions where I want
the most archival materials, I stick with the straight UT warm on cotton
paper.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
  I have curves
> for both EAM/EEM and the new (was to be released this month) Epson
> UltraSmooth Fine Art (EUS?).
> 
> This new cotton, non-optical-brightened paper appears to be the 
first cotton
> paper that does not have a problem with flaking.  I also find the 
lack of
> optical brighteners a plus.  
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

Paul, 
Could the new Epson Ultra Smooth paper be a twin to Museum Digital 
Art Paper being sold by Inkjetart.com ? 
www.inkjetart.com/wc/museum/index.html

It seems that ICC profiles for one paper will work for the other.
An eMail (InkjetNews) I received from InkjetArt.com contained the 
following:

"The reason we're mentioning Bill's Epson UltraSmooth profile is 
because it will also work well with our MUSEUM DIGITAL ART paper, as 
the papers are so very, very much alike.  This profile can be 
downloaded at: http://homepage.mac.com/billatkinson "

Thanks,
Andre

>Could the new Epson Ultra Smooth paper be a twin to Museum Digital
>Art Paper being sold by Inkjetart.com ?

I tried some InkJetArt Museum and found it very disappointing.  It's not
Epson UltraSmooth.  I had lots of flaking with the InkJetArt Museum.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

i second paul's comment, i get pretty good tonal
quality with museum but it flakes worse than any paper
i have used. also the sheet curls and is sometimes
hard to get it to load into my printers. it is a minor
annoyance for sure but the flaking is a real problem.
john e 

> >Could the new Epson Ultra Smooth paper be a twin to
> Museum Digital
> >Art Paper being sold by Inkjetart.com ?
> 
> I tried some InkJetArt Museum and found it very
> disappointing.  It's not
> Epson UltraSmooth.  I had lots of flaking with the
> InkJetArt Museum.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> 


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