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LOOK OUT! Newbie with a 2200...

LOOK OUT! Newbie with a 2200...

2003-07-21 by justinflorentine

Greetings!  Longtime lurker, first time poster.  You guys are great,
and I've found the resources from the group very helpful time and again.

I'm an experienced analog printer who just made a big jump into the
digital world.  Recently sold a car, so the spending cash found it's
way to my local compusa :).

Anyhoo, I'm a PC user who shoots exclusively on 35mm Nikons.  I bought
a Nikon Coolscan 4000 and an Epson 2200 for my digital darkroom.  Like
most others, IU use photoshop.  Now I'm trying to grok color
management, more specifically ICC (or is it ICM?  what's the
difference?) color profiles.  I ran through the adobe gamma wizard in
my Win2K control panel to make sure my monitor was accurate, and to
generate a profile.  I did this, but now I'm not sure at which phase
of my workflow to apply it.

1) Scan on nikon cs 4000.  No gain adjustment, no auto-exposure, 14bit
RGB scan.  Level adjustments to be done in PS.

2) Do I immediately apply my monitor profile to the image?  I would
think that this would make my future changes relative to the monitor
profile.  Is this correct?

3) Adjust levels, crop, and darkroom fun.

4) Adjust DPI/image size, print to the 2200.  Now when I do this, do I
use my monitor profile as the source, or would that be
double-profiling?  If not, what do I use for the source profile?  The
target profile is the Epson 2200 that came with it, but I suspect I
should be using a paper/ink specific profile.  Is this correct?

Is this a complete enough workflow?  I feel like I must be missing
some steps, but that could just be freshman uncertainty...

Thanks again...

Re: LOOK OUT! Newbie with a 2200...

2003-07-22 by Peter Nelson

I didn't see anything in here about a profiler.  If you don't have 
one then I hope you have another car in the garage to sell. 


--- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "justinflorentine" 
<justin@b...> wrote:

> I'm an experienced analog printer who just made a big jump into the
> digital world.  Recently sold a car, so the spending cash found 
it's
> way to my local compusa :).
> 
> Anyhoo, I'm a PC user who shoots exclusively on 35mm Nikons.  I 
bought
> a Nikon Coolscan 4000 and an Epson 2200 for my digital darkroom.  
Like
> most others, IU use photoshop.  Now I'm trying to grok color
> management, more specifically ICC (or is it ICM?  what's the
> difference?) color profiles.  I ran through the adobe gamma wizard 
in
> my Win2K control panel to make sure my monitor was accurate, and to
> generate a profile.  I did this, but now I'm not sure at which 
phase
> of my workflow to apply it.
> 
> 1) Scan on nikon cs 4000.  No gain adjustment, no auto-exposure, 
14bit
> RGB scan.  Level adjustments to be done in PS.
> 
> 2) Do I immediately apply my monitor profile to the image?  I would
> think that this would make my future changes relative to the 
monitor
> profile.  Is this correct?
> 
> 3) Adjust levels, crop, and darkroom fun.
> 
> 4) Adjust DPI/image size, print to the 2200.  Now when I do this, 
do I
> use my monitor profile as the source, or would that be
> double-profiling?  If not, what do I use for the source profile?  
The
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> target profile is the Epson 2200 that came with it, but I suspect I
> should be using a paper/ink specific profile.  Is this correct?
> 
> Is this a complete enough workflow?  I feel like I must be missing
> some steps, but that could just be freshman uncertainty...
> 
> Thanks again...

Re: [Digital BW] Re: LOOK OUT! Newbie with a 2200...

2003-07-22 by Justin Florentine

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I don't have a RIP to use for profiling.  I've heard the 2200 is 
remarkably consistent, and I was hoping to just get some curves on the 
web to apply while soft-proofing, and maybe tweak them.

I ran across this last night in my research:  
http://members.rogers.com/mitsuye-kitamura/Profiling/Profiling.html 
which would help me generate my own curves by hand.  I'd also heard 
there was an Epson RIP of some sort that was about $250?  That I would 
be able to spring for in a month or two.

Not looking forward to the grueling process of profiling one bit though, 
but I suppose it still beats the overhead in building a wet darkroom.

Peter Nelson wrote:

|I didn't see anything in here about a profiler.  If you don't have
|one then I hope you have another car in the garage to sell.
|
|
|--- In
|DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "justinflorentine"
|<justin@b...> wrote:
|
|>I'm an experienced analog printer who just made a big jump into the
|>digital world.  Recently sold a car, so the spending cash found
|
|it's
|
|>way to my local compusa :).
|>
|>Anyhoo, I'm a PC user who shoots exclusively on 35mm Nikons.  I
|
|bought
|
|>a Nikon Coolscan 4000 and an Epson 2200 for my digital darkroom.  
|
|Like
|
|>most others, IU use photoshop.  Now I'm trying to grok color
|>management, more specifically ICC (or is it ICM?  what's the
|>difference?) color profiles.  I ran through the adobe gamma wizard
|
|in
|
|>my Win2K control panel to make sure my monitor was accurate, and to
|>generate a profile.  I did this, but now I'm not sure at which
|
|phase
|
|>of my workflow to apply it.
|>
|>1) Scan on nikon cs 4000.  No gain adjustment, no auto-exposure,
|
|14bit
|
|>RGB scan.  Level adjustments to be done in PS.
|>
|>2) Do I immediately apply my monitor profile to the image?  I would
|>think that this would make my future changes relative to the
|
|monitor
|
|>profile.  Is this correct?
|>
|>3) Adjust levels, crop, and darkroom fun.
|>
|>4) Adjust DPI/image size, print to the 2200.  Now when I do this,
|
|do I
|
|>use my monitor profile as the source, or would that be
|>double-profiling?  If not, what do I use for the source profile?  
|
|The
|
|>target profile is the Epson 2200 that came with it, but I suspect I
|>should be using a paper/ink specific profile.  Is this correct?
|>
|>Is this a complete enough workflow?  I feel like I must be missing
|>some steps, but that could just be freshman uncertainty...
|>
|>Thanks again...
|
|
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[Digital BW] Re: LOOK OUT! Newbie with a 2200...

2003-07-22 by Peter Nelson

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Justin 
Florentine <justin@b...> wrote:

> I don't have a RIP to use for profiling. 


Most RIP's do not include a profiler.  Which is too bad because you 
really need a profiler to get the most out of a RIP.   I think the 
ColorBurst RIP does, but I think it costs over $2000.

BTW, you weren't planning to print black and white with your 2200, 
were you?

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