Digital BW, The Print

Hi, since I have started archival b&w printing on an Epson 1160 with 
MIS - FS mostly - I have always printed with the Epson driver out of 
PS. However I keep reading hymns of praise about Qimage. I remember 
having tried out an evaluation version of Qimage some time ago, but I 
found the program hardly understandable to use and gave up quickly. 

So my question is: Could one achieve better results when printing - 
avter having applied the curves for the inks in PS - out of Qimage?

Has anyone had good results with this?

Thanks, 

Bernie

Definitely.

My system consists of PC with W2k, PS7, Epson 1270 with Ultratone 
CIS.  

I only use a fraction of Qimage can do and I do most of the image 
manipulation in PS7 but use QI to optimise the print quality and 
autosharpen.

I have uploaded a couple of scan of PS7 printing and QImage printing 
for you to see real world scans.  In addition to being an excellent 
piece of software Mike Chaney updates this like nothing on earth and 
all for the one registration.  You can see the images at 
http://www.littleblueplanet.co.uk/not-QIsharpened.jpg and 
http://www.littleblueplanet.co.uk/QI-sharpened.jpg

and readmore about Qimage at 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qimage/messages 

Not very user friendly admittedly but bl**dy good at what it does.

Gareth

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie Ess" 
<albatros-@g...> wrote:
> Hi, since I have started archival b&w printing on an Epson 1160 
with 
> MIS - FS mostly - I have always printed with the Epson driver out 
of 
> PS. However I keep reading hymns of praise about Qimage. I remember 
> having tried out an evaluation version of Qimage some time ago, but 
I 

> found the program hardly understandable to use and gave up quickly. 
> 
> So my question is: Could one achieve better results when printing - 
> avter having applied the curves for the inks in PS - out of Qimage?
> 
> Has anyone had good results with this?
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Bernie

Why not sharpen in PS?

What I would like to see is an image printed through PS and an image  
through Qimage. No additional processing on either or the same  
processing on both and do a comparison.


On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 06:30  AM, garethlock4472 wrote:

> Definitely.
>
> My system consists of PC with W2k, PS7, Epson 1270 with Ultratone
> CIS.
>
> I only use a fraction of Qimage can do and I do most of the image
> manipulation in PS7 but use QI to optimise the print quality and
> autosharpen.
>
> I have uploaded a couple of scan of PS7 printing and QImage printing
> for you to see real world scans.  In addition to being an excellent
> piece of software Mike Chaney updates this like nothing on earth and
> all for the one registration.  You can see the images at
> http://www.littleblueplanet.co.uk/not-QIsharpened.jpg and
> http://www.littleblueplanet.co.uk/QI-sharpened.jpg
>
> and readmore about Qimage at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qimage/messages
>
> Not very user friendly admittedly but bl**dy good at what it does.
>
> Gareth
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie Ess"
> <albatros-@g...> wrote:
>> Hi, since I have started archival b&w printing on an Epson 1160
> with
>> MIS - FS mostly - I have always printed with the Epson driver out
> of
>> PS. However I keep reading hymns of praise about Qimage. I remember
>> having tried out an evaluation version of Qimage some time ago, but
> I
>> found the program hardly understandable to use and gave up quickly.
>>
>> So my question is: Could one achieve better results when printing -
>> avter having applied the curves for the inks in PS - out of Qimage?
>>
>> Has anyone had good results with this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bernie
>
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This is exactly what the 2 links I provided do.

The non-QI image is a straight print through PS7 to my 1270 using the 
same parameters as the QI print ie no Epson 1270 drievr included.

The non-QI print is printed at 300dpi whereas QI has interpolated the 
image to 496 dpi (for whatever reason) and added some auto-
sharpening.  I have never had any problem with the amount of 
sharpening which QI has added to any of my prints.

HTH

Gareth



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Loring Palleske 
<lorpal@m...> wrote:
> Why not sharpen in PS?
> 
> What I would like to see is an image printed through PS and an 
image  
> through Qimage. No additional processing on either or the same  
> processing on both and do a comparison.
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 06:30  AM, garethlock4472 wrote:
> 
> > Definitely.
> >
> > My system consists of PC with W2k, PS7, Epson 1270 with Ultratone
> > CIS.
> >
> > I only use a fraction of Qimage can do and I do most of the image
> > manipulation in PS7 but use QI to optimise the print quality and
> > autosharpen.
> >
> > I have uploaded a couple of scan of PS7 printing and QImage 
printing
> > for you to see real world scans.  In addition to being an 
excellent
> > piece of software Mike Chaney updates this like nothing on earth 
and
> > all for the one registration.  You can see the images at
> > http://www.littleblueplanet.co.uk/not-QIsharpened.jpg and
> > http://www.littleblueplanet.co.uk/QI-sharpened.jpg
> >
> > and readmore about Qimage at
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qimage/messages
> >
> > Not very user friendly admittedly but bl**dy good at what it does.
> >
> > Gareth
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie Ess"
> > <albatros-@g...> wrote:
> >> Hi, since I have started archival b&w printing on an Epson 1160
> > with
> >> MIS - FS mostly - I have always printed with the Epson driver out
> > of
> >> PS. However I keep reading hymns of praise about Qimage. I 
remember
> >> having tried out an evaluation version of Qimage some time ago, 
but
> > I
> >> found the program hardly understandable to use and gave up 
quickly.
> >>
> >> So my question is: Could one achieve better results when 
printing -
> >> avter having applied the curves for the inks in PS - out of 
Qimage?
> >>
> >> Has anyone had good results with this?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Bernie
> >
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That's what I mean - I would like to see it without autosharpening.

On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 08:47  AM, garethlock4472 wrote:

> The non-QI print is printed at 300dpi whereas QI has interpolated the
> image to 496 dpi (for whatever reason) and added some auto-
> sharpening.
Regards,

Loring Palleske
Creative Imaging
416.301.1711

This isn't possible!

You must mean without adjustment using the epson driver.

On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 08:47  AM, garethlock4472 wrote:

> The non-QI image is a straight print through PS7 to my 1270 using the
> same parameters as the QI print ie no Epson 1270 drievr included.
Regards,

Loring Palleske
Creative Imaging
416.301.1711

I don't know if it is possible to do that.  I will have alook and see.

Gareth

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Loring Palleske 
<lorpal@m...> wrote:
> That's what I mean - I would like to see it without autosharpening.
> 
> On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 08:47  AM, garethlock4472 wrote:
> 
> > The non-QI print is printed at 300dpi whereas QI has interpolated 
the

> > image to 496 dpi (for whatever reason) and added some auto-
> > sharpening.
> Regards,
> 
> Loring Palleske
> Creative Imaging
> 416.301.1711

Sorry meant generic Epson 1270 profile not driver, ie print space 
is 'Same as Source' not Epson 1270.

Gareth

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Loring Palleske 
<lorpal@m...> wrote:
> This isn't possible!
> 
> You must mean without adjustment using the epson driver.
> 
> On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 08:47  AM, garethlock4472 wrote:
> 
> > The non-QI image is a straight print through PS7 to my 1270 using 
the

> > same parameters as the QI print ie no Epson 1270 drievr included.
> Regards,
> 
> Loring Palleske
> Creative Imaging
> 416.301.1711

Pardon my jumping in but I think the auto sharpening in QImage can be turned
off . Prints Menu, Print Interpolation - there is a slider for sharpening
that has an off position.

Roger

  -----Original Message-----
  From: garethlock4472 [mailto:g.loc@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:12 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Qimage better for printing than photoshop?


  I don't know if it is possible to do that.  I will have alook and see.

  Gareth

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Loring Palleske
  <lorpal@m...> wrote:
  > That's what I mean - I would like to see it without autosharpening.
  >
  > On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 08:47  AM, garethlock4472 wrote:
  >
  > > The non-QI print is printed at 300dpi whereas QI has interpolated
  the
  > > image to 496 dpi (for whatever reason) and added some auto-
  > > sharpening.
  > Regards,
  >
  > Loring Palleske
  > Creative Imaging
  > 416.301.1711


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That would be the driver doing the conversion - not photoshop.
If you select a destination space in photoshop (ie Epson Premium Glossy  
Photo Paper) and then select no colour adjustment in the driver then PS  
will be doing the corrections instead.

On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 10:12  AM, garethlock4472 wrote:

> Sorry meant generic Epson 1270 profile not driver, ie print space
> is 'Same as Source' not Epson 1270.
>
> Gareth
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Loring Palleske
> <lorpal@m...> wrote:
>> This isn't possible!
>>
>> You must mean without adjustment using the epson driver.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 08:47  AM, garethlock4472 wrote:
>>
>>> The non-QI image is a straight print through PS7 to my 1270 using
> the
>>> same parameters as the QI print ie no Epson 1270 drievr included.
>> Regards,
>>
>> Loring Palleske
>> Creative Imaging
>> 416.301.1711
>
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