Digital BW, The Print

I am finally getting my head around colour management which is a real 
bonus as I do most of my work in mono!

I use an Epson 1270 loaded with CIS Ultratone Mono Inks printing onto 
EAM and Permajet Glossy and Matte Papers. I print from both PS7 and 
QImage but prefer the latter. However I do not use the generic Epson 
1270 profile in either because I find it lays down too much in the 
shadows (on a wedge chart blocks from 85% upwards!).

I know that you can profile colour charts using a Gretag Macbeth to 
give a comparison between what the GM equipment thinks the colours 
should be and what the printer has printed them as and provide a frig 
factor to bring the printer inline with the GM colour range. 

The question I am asking is - How do you provide a mono solution for 
ink/paper profiling because I do not have access to a colour 
printout? Would it be as simple as converting the GM chart to mono 
and then scanning it in as all the GM kit is looking for is a 
difference rather than an absolute number?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Gareth

Interesting question Gareth.  I'm using the UT inks with my 1280 but 
without any printer profile at all.  Maybe I should?  When we do the 
conversion to grayscale/RGB in Photoshop and apply the curves we're 
to put the image into the Adobe RGB (1998) space.  I'm not sure why 
we do that if there's no printer profile used.

Tom

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garethlock4472" 
<g.loc@o...> wrote:
> I am finally getting my head around colour management which is a 
real 
> bonus as I do most of my work in mono!
> 
> I use an Epson 1270 loaded with CIS Ultratone Mono Inks printing 
onto 
> EAM and Permajet Glossy and Matte Papers. I print from both PS7 and 
> QImage but prefer the latter. However I do not use the generic 
Epson 
> 1270 profile in either because I find it lays down too much in the 
> shadows (on a wedge chart blocks from 85% upwards!).
> 
> I know that you can profile colour charts using a Gretag Macbeth to 
> give a comparison between what the GM equipment thinks the colours 
> should be and what the printer has printed them as and provide a 
frig 
> factor to bring the printer inline with the GM colour range. 
> 
> The question I am asking is - How do you provide a mono solution 
for 

> ink/paper profiling because I do not have access to a colour 
> printout? Would it be as simple as converting the GM chart to mono 
> and then scanning it in as all the GM kit is looking for is a 
> difference rather than an absolute number?
> 
> Thanks for your help in advance.
> 
> Gareth

I think because there must be a standard to which the tones have been 
created trhat everyone can use and Adobe98 seems as good as any?

Gareth

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Husband" 
<thusband@s...> wrote:
> Interesting question Gareth.  I'm using the UT inks with my 1280 
but 
> without any printer profile at all.  Maybe I should?  When we do 
the 
> conversion to grayscale/RGB in Photoshop and apply the curves we're 
> to put the image into the Adobe RGB (1998) space.  I'm not sure why 
> we do that if there's no printer profile used.
> 
> Tom
> 
> --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garethlock4472" 
> <g.loc@o...> wrote:
> > I am finally getting my head around colour management which is a 
> real 
> > bonus as I do most of my work in mono!
> > 
> > I use an Epson 1270 loaded with CIS Ultratone Mono Inks printing 
> onto 
> > EAM and Permajet Glossy and Matte Papers. I print from both PS7 
and 
> > QImage but prefer the latter. However I do not use the generic 
> Epson 
> > 1270 profile in either because I find it lays down too much in 
the 
> > shadows (on a wedge chart blocks from 85% upwards!).
> > 
> > I know that you can profile colour charts using a Gretag Macbeth 
to 
> > give a comparison between what the GM equipment thinks the 
colours 
> > should be and what the printer has printed them as and provide a 
> frig 
> > factor to bring the printer inline with the GM colour range. 
> > 
> > The question I am asking is - How do you provide a mono solution 
> for 
> > ink/paper profiling because I do not have access to a colour 
> > printout? Would it be as simple as converting the GM chart to 
mono 

> > and then scanning it in as all the GM kit is looking for is a 
> > difference rather than an absolute number?
> > 
> > Thanks for your help in advance.
> > 
> > Gareth