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Print Exchange Idea -- please read (long)

Print Exchange Idea -- please read (long)

2003-08-30 by chipcarterdc

I have never participated in the print exchange run by this group, so I have no 
idea how it works.  If the idea I'm about to present is duplicative of what's 
currently being done, please disregard this post.

By way of background (mostly for people who are new to digital monochrome 
output, so skip the following if you're a seasoned vet), I have about a decade 
of wet darkroom experience and about a year and half of digital darkroom 
experience.  Like everyone else who enters the realm of digital output and 
loves black and white, I've been struggling to find a system I like.  I have an 
Epson 2200 and have tried the following methods for getting "good" 
(subjective) B&W out of it:

(1) The Epson driver: looked pretty good at first, actually, until I started 
noticing the lack of neutrality and metamerism.

(2) The Epson driver w. the Gray Balancer: Maybe I don't have a good eye for 
hue, but the eyeballing method of the gray balancer just didn't work for me -- 
my prints looked worse when using it.

(3) Epson's Stylus 2200 RIP: the prints didn't show metamerism, but were not 
"neutral" to me -- they were too warm for my taste.  And this software is way 
too complicated to install and use. (To my surprise, Epson let me return this 
software - they wouldn't give me $ back, but did give me an Epson Store 
credit for ink and paper).

(4) Black Only printing: same results as #3 above, except not at all 
complicated.

(5) QuadTone RIP: seems promising, but the setup and use was too 
intimidating and technical for me -- I'm sure many would disagree, but I'm not 
particularly tech savvy and didn't want to spend the time and energy that 
would have been required to learn how to use this program properly.  On the 
other hand, it's free....But I'm willing to pay someone for a program that hides 
the technical details from me.

(6) Open Print Maker/InkJet Control (OPM/IJC): actually, I never tried this one 
for the same reasons as in #5 above -- I couldn't get past the overly technical 
nature of making it work (I know, I know, I COULD learn it, but I just don't want 
to).

(7) ImagePrint RIP 5.5: I've been the most satisfied with this solution thus far.  
No metamerism that I can see and the prints meet my definition of neutral.  But 
I clearly have too much time and disposable income, because I got to 
thinking, hey, if ImagePrint can do this good of a job with software while using 
a combination of color and gray inks, how much better would it be to print 
using a spectrum of ALL gray inks?  Which is why I now have....

(8) The Septone Basic Kit for the 2200 (7 gray inks plus a Photoshop plug-in).    
I haven't installed it yet, so I have no comment, but the sample print looks 
good to me.

(Start reading here again if you don't need the review of methods I've tried)

What does all of this have to do with a print exchange?  The point of the 
above is this: not everyone has the time, patience, skill or $ to experiment with 
the different methods above, let alone the ones I haven't tried (at least 5 more 
that I can think of off the top of my head).  But I bet amongst the members of 
this list, we own all of the possible methods.  So how about a print exchange 
that works like this:

(a) One person uploads an image to the files section of this group (with a 
copyright watermark in it, of course).  This image can be of any subject, and 
can be from a scanned neg or a digital file, as long as it has a full tonal range 
representative of a typical black and white image.  (I leave the nomination 
process of whose image this should be open for conversation, but I think it 
should be one of our "heavy hitters" -- someone with a lot more experience in 
photography and digital image processing than me).  This person makes all 
the adjustments to the image necessary for what they think is a "good" print, 
including sharpening.  No toning please -- make it neutral grayscale.

(b) 15-20 people (to cover all the different digital B&W output options) then 
sign up to print an 8x10 of this image using the method they currently use for 
their own images.  (Since I have IP 5.5 up and running, I'd be happy to 
volunteer to be the printer for this method).  I say an 8x10  b/c the sample I got 
from Inkjetgoodies of a Septone print looked great, but it's hard for me to 
evaluate all the tonal areas since it has 3 tiny images on one 4x6 inch sheet 
of paper.

(c)  In printing the image, everyone agrees to do NO manipulation of the file 
beyond what is needed to make your chosen method work (e.g., if you're 
using an RIP that requires you to convert the image to grayscale, but it's in 
RGB, you can do that).  No curves, levels, etc -- the point is to standardize the 
process, so the only variable affecting the outcome is the output method, not 
the image or the skill of the person doing the printing.  Also, all the printers 
agree to use the same paper -- I suggest Epson Enhanced/Archival Matte b/c 
a lot of people use it and it's cheap.

(d) We all send our prints at (roughly) the same time to the first person on the 
review list (I don't care who it is).  That person keeps all the prints for 24 hrs to 
evaluate, posts his or her opinions under an appropriate thread here (one 
thread, please) then forwards all the prints via next day air to the next person 
on the list, who does the same, and so on.  (I know next day air is expensive, 
but we want to get the review process finished before the end of the 
millennium and hey, it's cheaper than spending the $ yourself to buy and try 
all the possible output options).

Anything I'm missing?

Feel free to add to, criticize or modify this proposal and make logistical 
suggestions, or tell me "this is already exactly what we do with the print 
exchange each month", in which case I'll feel like an idiot.  I think it's a good 
idea, though -- no matter how many reviews I read, I need to see the different 
methods on paper in my hand before I can evaluate them.

I'll be offline until Tuesday -- talk amongst yourselves.  :-)

RE: [Digital BW] Print Exchange Idea -- please read (long)

2003-08-30 by Ed Mathews

> -----Original Message-----
> From: chipcarterdc [mailto:chipcarterdc@...] 
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 8:58 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Print Exchange Idea -- please read (long)
> 
> 
> I have never participated in the print exchange run by this 
> group, so I have no 
> idea how it works.
<snip long post about different people printing the same image file>

Personally, I think this is an interesting idea, and one I was planning
to do on a smaller level with Yume Grot.  We were going to swap image
files and print each other's images on our own 1280s and compare them.
However, I think there are more variables in this mix than just the
methods we're using for printing.  I suspect that the software,
operating system, monitor, and even your particular version of whatever
printer you use all could have a profound affect on the end results.  So
all of that information would have to be listed and taken into
consideration, and it may not provide much information that could be
applied across the board to the masses.  But it would show what could be
achieved by individual set-ups, and I still think it's interesting
enough to try.  I'd be up for it.

Thanks,
Ed
http://lightandsilver.com

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