Digital BW, The Print

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chipcarterdc" <chipcarterdc@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:17 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Amsterdam, Epson 4000 printer
introduced


> Thanks for the scoop!  Any word in the article on (1) price or
(2)
> release date/availability?  I'm assuming it will have to be
less than
> the 7600 ($3000), but that leaves a big price range between the
7600
> and the 2200 ($700).
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ernst
Dinkla"
> <E.Dinkla@c...> wrote:
> > A good friend did send me a scan from a magazine article in
Dutch
> > on the introduction of the Epson 4000. Short translation:
> >
> > As expected an 8 ink printer size up to A2. What some will
see as
> > a replacement for the 3000 but in the article it is called a
> > replacement for the 5000. Could be both of course. Software
> > change between matte black and gloss black. Borderless
printing
> > up to 48 cm / 19", roll and sheet.
> > Maximum speed with 8 colour mode 1 minute for A2, in CMYKCMYK
> > mode 0,6 minutes. Up to 1.5 mm thickness of substrates.
> > Monochrome prints variable in neutral, warm, cold, sepia.
Maximum
> > cartridge size 220 ml. Ink use is software controlled like in
the
> > 7600 etc. Waste container like the 7600.
> >
> > 3 versions of the printer: Stylus PRO 4000-C8 is the 8 colour
> > version for photographers, artists, design studios. Stylus
PRO
> > 4000-4C is the 2x CMYK version for 3D-CAD, industrial design,
GIS
> > and POP display. The Stylus PRO 4000-PS is the PostScript
version
> > for proofprinting.
> > 3,5 picolitre minimum droplet size. Some talk about
> > meniscus-control that I interprete as surface tension control
to
> > keep blleding low and the dotshape correct. Maximum
resolution of
> > 2880 dpi. Ultrachrome ink. 70 to 75 years fade resistance a
la
> > Wilhelm.
> >
> > There's a picture on the page, in short a modern version
(7600
> > style) of the 5000 but of course wider and with 4 carts at
each
> > side. So no twin bag carts.
> >
> > Ernst, in cooperation with Bernard
>
>
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From: "mm_rabin" <mm_rabin@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 1:05 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Amsterdam, Epson 4000 printer
introduced


> according to the 9/18 luminous landscape post, the 4000 should
be
> available before the end of the year.  which means, if it's
anything
> like the circumstances under which the 2200 finally shipped,
I'll
> order my printer in December, epson will spend January thru May
> giving the b.s. party-line about dockworker strikes here in
L.A.
> delaying shipments, the printer will appear on ebay for double
its
> list price in June and July, I'll finally get my printer in
> August '04, and, then, there'll be a run on at least one of the
ink
> colors September thru November '04.
>
> I left out the part about it taking extra time, money, and
3rd-party
> software to correct any B/W printing problems.

Don't shoot the messenger :-)

And I think there's good B&W printing aboard. At least for matte.
Carts probably 7600/9600 alike but possibly with another chip.
A year is unlikely but 6 months wouldn't surprise me.

Ernst

> No price given but rumour says 2000 $.
> 
> Ernst
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "chipcarterdc" <chipcarterdc@h...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:17 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Amsterdam, Epson 4000 printer
> introduced
> 
> 
> > Thanks for the scoop!  Any word in the article on (1) price or
> (2)
> > release date/availability?  I'm assuming it will have to be
> less than
> > the 7600 ($3000), but that leaves a big price range between the
> 7600
> > and the 2200 ($700).
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ernst
> Dinkla"
> > <E.Dinkla@c...> wrote:
> > > A good friend did send me a scan from a magazine article in
> Dutch
> > > on the introduction of the Epson 4000. Short translation:
> > >
> > > As expected an 8 ink printer size up to A2. What some will
> see as
> > > a replacement for the 3000 but in the article it is called a
> > > replacement for the 5000. Could be both of course. Software
> > > change between matte black and gloss black. Borderless
> printing
> > > up to 48 cm / 19", roll and sheet.
> > > Maximum speed with 8 colour mode 1 minute for A2, in CMYKCMYK
> > > mode 0,6 minutes. Up to 1.5 mm thickness of substrates.
> > > Monochrome prints variable in neutral, warm, cold, sepia.
> Maximum
> > > cartridge size 220 ml. Ink use is software controlled like in
> the
> > > 7600 etc. Waste container like the 7600.
> > >
> > > 3 versions of the printer: Stylus PRO 4000-C8 is the 8 colour
> > > version for photographers, artists, design studios. Stylus
> PRO
> > > 4000-4C is the 2x CMYK version for 3D-CAD, industrial design,
> GIS
> > > and POP display. The Stylus PRO 4000-PS is the PostScript
> version
> > > for proofprinting.
> > > 3,5 picolitre minimum droplet size. Some talk about
> > > meniscus-control that I interprete as surface tension control
> to
> > > keep blleding low and the dotshape correct. Maximum
> resolution of
> > > 2880 dpi. Ultrachrome ink. 70 to 75 years fade resistance a
> la
> > > Wilhelm.
> > >
> > > There's a picture on the page, in short a modern version
> (7600
> > > style) of the 5000 but of course wider and with 4 carts at
> each
> > > side. So no twin bag carts.
> > >
> > > Ernst, in cooperation with Bernard
> >
> >
> > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups
> Sponsor ---------------------~-->
> > Buy quality ink cartridges & refill kit. Remanufactured &
> Refills for:
> > HP $8-20, Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15. FREE shipping over $50 (US &
> Canada).
> > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6347
> > http://us.click.yahoo.com/lB7L3D/k5uGAA/qnsNAA/ucIolB/TM
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
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From: "mm_rabin" <mm_rabin@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:33 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Amsterdam, Epson 4000 printer
introduced


> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ernst
Dinkla"
> <E.Dinkla@c...> wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "mm_rabin" <mm_rabin@y...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 1:05 AM
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Amsterdam, Epson 4000 printer
> > introduced
> >
> >
> > > according to the 9/18 luminous landscape post, the 4000
should
> > be
> > > available before the end of the year.  which means, if it's
> > anything
> > > like the circumstances under which the 2200 finally
shipped,
> > I'll
> > > order my printer in December, epson will spend January thru
May
> > > giving the b.s. party-line about dockworker strikes here in
> > L.A.
> > > delaying shipments, the printer will appear on ebay for
double
> > its
> > > list price in June and July, I'll finally get my printer in
> > > August '04, and, then, there'll be a run on at least one of
the
> > ink
> > > colors September thru November '04.
> > >
> > > I left out the part about it taking extra time, money, and
> > 3rd-party
> > > software to correct any B/W printing problems.
> >
> > Don't shoot the messenger :-)
> >
> > And I think there's good B&W printing aboard. At least for
matte.
> > Carts probably 7600/9600 alike but possibly with another
chip.
> > A year is unlikely but 6 months wouldn't surprise me.
> >
> > Ernst
>
>
> Ernst,
>
> yikes, my ire's definitely not directed at you; you're doing
everyone
> a great service by conveying info as you get it.  just that I'm
still
> smarting from my last experience w/ epson.  any idea the
original
> source of the $1400-1500 price for the 4000?
>
> thanks.
>
> Matt

No idea. $ 1800.- Epson official, $ 1400,- streetprice ?  Actuall
y I think it belongs in the $ 1800.- category speedwise, halfway
7600/2200, etc etc.

Ernst

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ron Norman 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:37 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Amsterdam, Epson 4000 printer introduced


  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ernst 
  Dinkla" <E.Dinkla@c...> wrote:
  > 
  > > Ernst,
  > >
  > > yikes, my ire's definitely not directed at you; you're doing
  > everyone
  > > a great service by conveying info as you get it.  just that I'm
  > still
  > > smarting from my last experience w/ epson.  any idea the
  > original
  > > source of the $1400-1500 price for the 4000?
  > >
  > > thanks.
  > >
  > > Matt
  > 
  > No idea. $ 1800.- Epson official, $ 1400,- streetprice ?  Actuall
  > y I think it belongs in the $ 1800.- category speedwise, halfway
  > 7600/2200, etc etc.
  > 
  > Ernst


  http://www.i-love-epson.co.jp/products/printer/inkjet/pm4000px/p
  m4000px1.htm  Japan web page showing the 4000PX, price 
  seems to be 94800 yen which converts to $846.00.  Probably 
  Singapore has it by now also.

  Ron


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