Digital BW, The Print

I have been using the MIS-VM inkset with Roark curves and find that I 
am exclusively shooting warm or medium warm ink... doesn't seem I 
really need the variable inkset and while I am generally happy with 
the results, shadows are often a problem.  Do the Original or FS 
inksets give better shadow details?  If so, what curves/workflow?  
Opinions on best results?

thanks,

mark

PS  I recognize that I am asking for opinions only...

Mark, I'm assuming that you are using the original VM inkset and the 
original Roark 1160 curves.  I switched to the new curves designed 
for the Ultratone VM inkset but am still using the original VM and 
found a great improvement because the new curves have a smooth 
transition.  The shadow problem is no more.  Reprinting some old 
favorites has shown how much better the new curves are.  The toning 
works just fine with the new curves too.  The new Ultratone VM set 
will probably give even more improvement.  You can find the curves 
and instructions in files/MIS/Ultratones/1160.  Remember to use "no 
color adjustment" in the print dialog for color management.  - Andy


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Hahn" 
<markhahn2000@y...> wrote:
> I have been using the MIS-VM inkset with Roark curves and find 
that I 
> am exclusively shooting warm or medium warm ink... doesn't seem I 
> really need the variable inkset and while I am generally happy 
with 

> the results, shadows are often a problem.  Do the Original or FS 
> inksets give better shadow details?  If so, what curves/workflow?  
> Opinions on best results?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> mark
> 
> PS  I recognize that I am asking for opinions only...

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark 
Hahn" <markhahn2000@y...> wrote:
> I have been using the MIS-VM inkset with Roark curves and find 
that I 
> am exclusively shooting warm or medium warm ink... doesn't 
seem I 
> really need the variable inkset and while I am generally happy 
with 
> the results, shadows are often a problem.  Do the Original or 
FS 
> inksets give better shadow details?  If so, what 
curves/workflow?  
> Opinions on best results?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> mark
> 
> PS  I recognize that I am asking for opinions only...

I use the FS inks with the Randall workflow.  I recently tried 
Photorag paper instead of EEM and found the results very 
satisfactory.  Although the Photorag is slightly warmer than EEM.
In both cases shadow detail is excellent.

Only an opinion.

Harry Lockwood

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!  Thanks!!!!  Those curves change everything!  I've 
been fighting with the original curves for 2 years and had just come 
to accept that some images just could not be successfully printed in 
quadtone... one of the hardest ones that I had been working on just 
yesterday printed perfectly first try with the new curves!!!  
Yeah!!!  Hats off to Paul!!!

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Unger" 
<ungram@y...> wrote:
> Mark, I'm assuming that you are using the original VM inkset and 
the 
> original Roark 1160 curves.  I switched to the new curves designed 
> for the Ultratone VM inkset but am still using the original VM and 
> found a great improvement because the new curves have a smooth 
> transition.  The shadow problem is no more.  Reprinting some old 
> favorites has shown how much better the new curves are.  The toning 
> works just fine with the new curves too.  The new Ultratone VM set 
> will probably give even more improvement.  You can find the curves 
> and instructions in files/MIS/Ultratones/1160.  Remember to use "no 
> color adjustment" in the print dialog for color management.  - Andy
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Hahn" 
> <markhahn2000@y...> wrote:
> > I have been using the MIS-VM inkset with Roark curves and find 
> that I 
> > am exclusively shooting warm or medium warm ink... doesn't seem I 
> > really need the variable inkset and while I am generally happy 
> with 
> > the results, shadows are often a problem.  Do the Original or FS 
> > inksets give better shadow details?  If so, what 
curves/workflow?  

> > Opinions on best results?
> > 
> > thanks,
> > 
> > mark
> > 
> > PS  I recognize that I am asking for opinions only...