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2003-10-22 by Paul Roark
It appears that the Photoshop curves that control the variable-tone inks can be translated into Picture Window (PW) curves with relative ease by just editing the PW curves in a text file. So, PW can print the vm and UT inks just fine. (Could some PW user tell me how to copy and paste an image into an existing file/window instead of a new one?) Paul http://www.PaulRoark.com
2003-10-22 by Richard Vanek
Paul, > It appears that the Photoshop curves that control the variable-tone inks can > be translated into Picture Window (PW) curves with relative ease by just > editing the PW curves in a text file. So, PW can print the vm and UT inks > just fine. I am using it for while now, directly your photoshop curves within pw pro. It can load direclty Phosohop curves. > (Could some PW user tell me how to copy and paste an image into an existing > file/window instead of a new one?) As far as I know it doesn't. It is nice feature to open file in new window only, also after you apply any trasnformation tool (curves, for example) you will get result in new window. Why you need it in the same window Paul? -- richard http://piskoftak.com/
2003-10-22 by Paul Roark
With the cheaper version of PW, I don't seem to be able to open the Photoshop curves directly. The "load" box doesn't show any of the PS curves even if I change the extension/name. Perhaps this is an extra feature on the Pro version? What I'd done is simply not the coordinates in PS and then transfer them to the PW curve (that had the correct number of points added first) using Notepad and opening the PW curve in text form. On the cut/paste issue, I past the 21-step file into larger 8x10 files for testing curves. It seems odd that PW would omit something that seems like such a basic operation. Paul http://www.PaulRoark.com _________________________________________
-----Original Message----- From: Richard Vanek [mailto:richard.vanek@...] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:52 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: PS VM curves is Picture Window Paul, > It appears that the Photoshop curves that control the variable-tone inks can > be translated into Picture Window (PW) curves with relative ease by just > editing the PW curves in a text file. So, PW can print the vm and UT inks > just fine. I am using it for while now, directly your photoshop curves within pw pro. It can load direclty Phosohop curves. > (Could some PW user tell me how to copy and paste an image into an existing > file/window instead of a new one?) As far as I know it doesn't. It is nice feature to open file in new window only, also after you apply any trasnformation tool (curves, for example) you will get result in new window. Why you need it in the same window Paul? -- richard http://piskoftak.com/ Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-10-22 by Richard Vanek
Hello Paul, > What I'd done is simply not the coordinates in PS and then transfer them to > the PW curve (that had the correct number of points added first) using > Notepad and opening the PW curve in text form. I can take a look if I can save your PS curves to PW format directly in this Pro version I have. > On the cut/paste issue, I past the 21-step file into larger 8x10 files for > testing curves. It seems odd that PW would omit something that seems like > such a basic operation. For making multiple picture into one (kind of composite picture), you can use other feature of PW. I can't recall now the name (not at my home pc now). Maybe its name is Composite. I looked at www.dl-c.com download page and there you can find also other way of compining images using layouts from trasnformation menu. check it out. you can download tutorial from dl-c.com web hope it helps --- richard http://piskoftak.com
2003-10-22 by Jeff Randall
Paul: I just check with Jonathan Sachs the Picture Window developer and he indicated that both PW and PWP can open and read PhotoShop color curve and map files (.acv and .amp). Are you using the Upper Opt button in the Color|Curves transformation? The lower right Opt buttons on both the Color|Curves and Gray|Brightness transformationsonly read .crv files. Jeff Randall --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > With the cheaper version of PW, I don't seem to be able to open the > Photoshop curves directly. The "load" box doesn't show any of the PS curves > even if I change the extension/name. Perhaps this is an extra feature on > the Pro version? > > What I'd done is simply not the coordinates in PS and then transfer them to > the PW curve (that had the correct number of points added first) using > Notepad and opening the PW curve in text form. > > On the cut/paste issue, I past the 21-step file into larger 8x10 files for > testing curves. It seems odd that PW would omit something that seems like > such a basic operation. > > Paul > http://www.PaulRoark.com > _________________________________________ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Vanek [mailto:richard.vanek@e...] > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:52 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: PS VM curves is Picture Window > > > Paul, > > > It appears that the Photoshop curves that control the variable- tone > inks can > > be translated into Picture Window (PW) curves with relative ease by > just > > editing the PW curves in a text file. So, PW can print the vm and > UT inks > > just fine. > > I am using it for while now, directly your photoshop curves within pw > pro. It can load direclty Phosohop curves. > > > (Could some PW user tell me how to copy and paste an image into an > existing > > file/window instead of a new one?) > > As far as I know it doesn't. It is nice feature to open file in new > window only, also after you apply any trasnformation tool (curves, for > example) you will get result in new window. > > Why you need it in the same window Paul? > > -- > richard > http://piskoftak.com/ > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-10-22 by Jeff Randall
Paul: When I was developing the MIS FS/FSN workflow for the 1160 I found that it is much easier to create the necessary curves in PWP because the curves window is fully scalable (allowing accurate tweaking) and there are no limits on the number of control points. The ability to read/edit the PW curve files with a text editor allowed me to manually input the curve coordinates into PhotoShop curves. Jeff Randall --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > It appears that the Photoshop curves that control the variable-tone inks can > be translated into Picture Window (PW) curves with relative ease by just > editing the PW curves in a text file. So, PW can print the vm and UT inks > just fine. > > (Could some PW user tell me how to copy and paste an image into an existing
> file/window instead of a new one?) > > Paul > http://www.PaulRoark.com
2003-10-22 by Paul Roark
Jeff, >Are you using the Upper Opt button in the Color|Curves >transformation? The lower right Opt buttons on both the Color|Curves >and Gray|Brightness transformations only read .crv files. That was the problem. The upper Opt button will open the Photoshop curves, the lower Opt button will not. Thanks. Paul http://www.PaulRoark.com
2003-10-22 by Paul Roark
Jeff, >When I was developing the MIS FS/FSN workflow for the 1160 I found >that it is much easier to create the necessary curves in PWP because >the curves window is fully scalable (allowing accurate tweaking) I generally enter numbers in the Photoshop box as opposed to moving the points manually. So, accuracy has not been a problem with the method I now use. Moving the points with the mouse -- which I tried at first -- was clearly not the way to go in PS. >there are no limits on the number of control points. That is a clear and major advantage to Picture Window. > The ability to read/edit the PW curve files with a text editor >allowed me to manually input the curve coordinates ... That is an interesting feature. I manually entered the curves numbers last night, before I knew that the top "Opt" button could open the PS curves directly. As I noted, above, however, I've been entering numeric coordinates in PS for some time now. Having those boxes right in the main curves dialog box is probably an advantage to PS over PW. At any rate, I'm delighted to find that Picture Window is so compatible with the variable-tone workflows. I'll be doing some comparison printing to see if there are smoothness differences. Thanks for the help. Paul http://www.PaulRoark.com ______________________________ --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > It appears that the Photoshop curves that control the variable-tone inks can > be translated into Picture Window (PW) curves with relative ease by just > editing the PW curves in a text file. So, PW can print the vm and UT inks > just fine. > > (Could some PW user tell me how to copy and paste an image into an existing > file/window instead of a new one?) > > Paul > http://www.PaulRoark.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-10-22 by Jeff Randall
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > Moving the points with the mouse -- which I tried at first -- was > clearly not the way to go in PS. Absolutely! Once I got close using the mouse to move the control points in in the fully scalable PWP curves window, I switched to the text editor to input final tweaks. Yes a little awkward, but manageable <smile>. > I'll be doing some comparison printing to see > if there are smoothness differences. I'm not sure I understand how changing image editors (PS/PW) could affect the ramp smoothness. Curves are curves and both send the data to the Epson driver. Can you explain? Thanks. Jeff Randall
2003-10-22 by Paul Roark
Jeff, >> I'll be doing some comparison printing to see >> if there are smoothness differences. >I'm not sure I understand how changing image editors (PS/PW) could >affect the ramp smoothness. Curves are curves and both send the data >to the Epson driver. The image editors clearly have smoothing algorithms that interpolate and plot the lines between the points. In PW, you can even disable this function or change it into stair-steps (interesting controls, actually). The smoothing algorithms might differ between PS and PW. Visually they look the same, but I suppose there could be differences that would show up in the print. Of course, once the data is sent to the driver, which image editor is used would, presumably, be irrelevant. Paul http://www.PaulRoark.com
2003-10-22 by sceptre12345
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > (Could some PW user tell me how to copy and paste an image into an existing > file/window instead of a new one?) > > Paul > http://www.PaulRoark.com Transformation -- Stack -- Images ? Cheers, Andre
2003-10-22 by Jeff Randall
Based on my direct observation of the ramps and Swatchbook measurements of the step wedges, I concluded that the PS and PW curves were essentially identical for the FS/FSN 1160 partitioned workflow. I did use up to 15 control points (red curve) for the PW partioned curves and this could have a significant smoothing effect. I, however, did not do exhaustive experimentation. I'm looking forward to your results. Thanks. Jeff Randall --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > The image editors clearly have smoothing algorithms that interpolate and > plot the lines between the points. In PW, you can even disable this > function or change it into stair-steps (interesting controls, actually). > The smoothing algorithms might differ between PS and PW. Visually they look > the same, but I suppose there could be differences that would show up in the print.
2003-10-22 by Kip Babington
I've been using the Adobe RAW plug in for Photoshop 7 since about a week after it came out, and have been quite pleased with its functionality as compared to using standalone programs to convert Nikon raw files before PS manipulation. But I just opened a NEF file and was greeted with a completely new (and radically less comprehensive) screen. Whereas before I had sliders for color temp, exposure, tint, shadow density, brightness, contrast, sharpness, smoothness, and I think something else, now I see only a slider for exposure and a drop down list of color temp settings (that match the camera - no more continuous slider.) I have not downloaded anything new from Adobe since I got the RAW plug in, although PS7 routinely dials up the Adobe site on occasion as it's being opened and appears to download two files. Has anyone else noticed this change? I'm VERY unhappy with the limitations of the new interface, and have to wonder where it came from. Did I just miss an announcement somewhere that Adobe was going to do this automatically? Cheers, Kip
2003-10-22 by Paul D. DeRocco
> From: Kip Babington [mailto:cbabing3@...] > > I've been using the Adobe RAW plug in for Photoshop 7 since about a week > after it came out, and have been quite pleased with its functionality as > compared to using standalone programs to convert Nikon raw files > before PS > manipulation. But I just opened a NEF file and was greeted with a > completely new (and radically less comprehensive) screen. > Whereas before > I had sliders for color temp, exposure, tint, shadow density, brightness, > contrast, sharpness, smoothness, and I think something else, now > I see only > a slider for exposure and a drop down list of color temp settings (that > match the camera - no more continuous slider.) > > I have not downloaded anything new from Adobe since I got the RAW > plug in, > although PS7 routinely dials up the Adobe site on occasion as it's being > opened and appears to download two files. Mine's still full-featured, even though something was just downloaded from Adobe. Whatever it downloaded, I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with the plug-in. Could you post a screen capture of the new dialog? -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco@...
2003-10-23 by Kip Babington
The mystery has been resolved. I subsequently went to the Adobe site, found the forum that discussed Photoshop, and came across a specific question similar to mine. It turns out that when I recently downloaded the new Nikon Viewer (to try to take a look at some D2H images that were posted somewhere, and could not be seen with earlier viewers), the new viewer created some sort of link to Photoshop and this was overriding the Adobe plug in. So apparently what I was seeing was a primitive Nikon raw file manipulator that was built into their viewer program. When I removed the Nikon viewer from my system I got back the full featured Adobe raw processor, so now I'm happily back where I was. I note that what I downloaded was Nikon Viewer, not the Nikon Capture program (for which they want something like $150) which is what I had thought was necessary to manipulate NEF files if you wanted to do so with Nikon brand software. I was so offended at being asked to pay extra for Capture when I had just paid $2K for a D100 that I never even bothered to install the trial version of Capture that came with the camera, and went directly to Bibble for raw file manipulation, where I stayed until the Adobe option came out earlier this year. So I've never seen what the Capture program is like, but I certainly hope that the raw file manipulator in Capture is a lot more extensive than what I saw in the Viewer, or I can't see many people wanting to buy Capture in the future. Cheers, Kip At 10/22/2003 03:36 PM -0700, Paul wrote:
><snip> >Mine's still full-featured, even though something was just downloaded from >Adobe. Whatever it downloaded, I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with >the plug-in. Could you post a screen capture of the new dialog? > >-- > >Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco >Paul mailto:pderocco@...