Digital BW, The Print

I'm hoping the new Eboni carts I just received have been filled 
with the wrong ink because the results are closer to sepia than 
black.

I have been working up BO images and printing with Epsons 
standard T007 cart on my 1280.  When my first 3 carts of Eboni 
arrived I was able to make direct comparisons with a range of 
BO images using the exact same workflow.  From what I have 
read here and elsewhere, I expected the eboni to be slightly  
warmer.  It is a lot more than "slightly warmer".   I don't object to a 
sepia tone and some of my images look better printed with 
eboni.  It just ain't black.

I have run out of the original MIS ARC-Black, so I could not make 
direct comparisons with the older MIS black. 

Oddly,  text printing with Eboni is substantially black and I have 
several BO images including a  very black  dog at the White 
Sands  that show the dog as black, black. I can't make him 
chocolate, no matter how hard I look. However, with the Eboni 
printing he is now a very black dog in a sepia world instead of a 
grey world.

If I put an Eboni print in a neutral environment, away from other 
prints,  it just looks like sepia. 

I have not tried the other 2 carts and will probably just print with 
this cart to take advantage of the sepia tone. The subtle sepia 
hues in the midtones is wonderful in some images.

  I hope the other carts will get more black, since there are some 
images that will just look better in a blacker black.

Am I the only one to have this reaction, or is it obviously a 
missmarked cart?

                         Lincoln

Hello Lincoln,

How's things in the land of the far west?  Want to trade places for
awhile, you shoot Florida and I'll shoot New Mexico?   I can show you
some great places for alligators (don't fall in <g>).


>I have been working up BO images and printing with Epsons 
>standard T007 cart on my 1280...Eboni...is a lot more than 
>"slightly warmer".

If you've been using the dye inks then any carbon ink will look very
warm.  It's all relative.  Eboni is less warm than the two carbon inks
it substitutes for: the UC Matte Black and Photo Black.  PB is the
warmest, then MB, then Eboni.  To the best of my knowledge, Eboni is
currently the least warm of the carbon inks that don't fade and color
shift.  I'm using it now and find the color very pleasing.


>so I could not make direct comparisons with the older MIS black. 

I previously used the MIS FS-K.  Eboni is warmer than a fresh FS
print, but cooler than one after it warmed.  A warmed FS-K print is
much like UC Photo Black.


>However, with the Eboni printing he is now a very black dog in 
>a sepia world instead of a grey world.

Eboni does seem to look blacker (meaning as opposed to brown) at Dmax.
 I like the effect - it adds a richness to the prints.  


>The subtle sepia hues in the midtones is wonderful in some images.

Eboni really is beautiful stuff, and has interesting characteristics
with regard to Dmax and response to different papers.  I'm just
beginning to explore its possibilities, but my impressions so far are
that I'm dealing with some nice rich beautiful ink.  My intuitive
response to it is that a new creative zone has been opened up to me,
and especially because it's very stable.   I no longer fear selling a
print.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton 
Jones" <cj@c...> wrote:
> Hello Lincoln,
> 
> How's things in the land of the far west?  Want to trade places 
for
> awhile, you shoot Florida and I'll shoot New Mexico?   I can 
show you
> some great places for alligators (don't fall in <g>).

*-Hi Clayton.

As a transplanted easterner, myself,  I can tell you the 
photography is just as good here as you  imagine it is.  I live only 
an hours drive from the White Sands National Monument .  I get 
an annual pass there, since I return for photo shoots so often.  
BO printing really lends itself to the scenes I shoot there. I would 
certainly enjoy showing you around, if you decided to visit. 
However,  standing in a swamp and shooting  'gators,  doesn't 
sound  like too good a trade.   :-)b
> 
> 
> >I have been working up BO images and printing with Epsons 
> >standard T007 cart on my 1280...Eboni...is a lot more than 
> >"slightly warmer".
> 
> If you've been using the dye inks then any carbon ink will look 
very
> warm.  It's all relative. 

*- Sounds like I don't have a mislabeled cart. 

 

> >The subtle sepia hues in the midtones is wonderful in some 
images.
> 
> Eboni really is beautiful stuff, and has interesting 
characteristics
> with regard to Dmax and response to different papers. 

*- Reading the thread about using Photo Black(7600) and semi 
matte paper, makes me wonder if this might be another thing to 
try?

I'm just
> beginning to explore its possibilities, but my impressions so 
far are
> that I'm dealing with some nice rich beautiful ink.  My intuitive
> response to it is that a new creative zone has been opened up 
to me,
> and especially because it's very stable.   I no longer fear selling 
a
> print.
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton

*- No argument, Clayton,  I think there are  some real 
possibilities with this ink.  I just have to select the images that 
take advantage of it's subtle hues.  I also like the uniform look 
when I lay out all my eboni prints together.  The more I print, the 
more I want to go out and get images that take advantage of it's 
capabilities.  :-)  

                     Lincoln

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
"outdoornewmexico" <outdoornewmexico@y...> wrote:
> However, with the Eboni 
> printing he is now a very black dog in a sepia world instead of 
> a grey world.

>                          Lincoln


Licoln, I understand, you are BO printing?
So are you sure you hit the Black only button??
Sorry if this is tooo trivial, just a thought.
B.