Digital BW, The Print

IMO 35mm TX or TMZ 3200 should be grainy.  Or dotty?  I don't know but I've 
got nice BO prints from TX and TMZ that look like TX or TMZ.  

I can shoot any format from 35mm-8x10.  Because of time and recently 
moving I've only been shooting 35mm.  And I can only scan 35mm at home.  
While I know that a BO inkjet print isn't really going to look like the the "real" 
silver prints around the house that is OK.  Also like Hartmann I really like the 
grain and look of 35mm, TX especially.   

I used to try to bend 35mm to look like larger formats when all I had was 
35mm.  Once I finally borrowed a friends dads Rollicord I gave up on that and 
waited till I could move up.  TX is my favorite flavor in all formats.

When I was printing Pd and Pt prints my first prints were biased by me to my 
silver taste.  When I got over that things were different.  I went with the very 
long scale and lower contrast. I just didn't at first.  Different process and a 
different look.  BO prints or any inkjet print are different, but that is the Holy 
Grail thread anyway.

Imagine a TMZ 3200 available light shot printed with a dotless system.  How 
would it look?  I've never seen one so I really don't know.  But I would want to 
see the grain, and I'd want sharp grain.  That is part of the shot, the mood you 
get with TMZ.   I wouldn't want it smoothed out in anyway.

I have BO prints from Agfa APX100 in Rodinal 1:50 or 1:25.  Blazing sharp 
negs with killer edge sharpness.  APX in Rodinal will do that.  The BO prints 
look very very much like they would on silver and for me that is the point.

I have too many nice film cameras that let me shoot all the different characters 
of film, film speeds and film developers.  I want all those choices to appear in 
my prints.  That is one very big reason I don't own any digital camera.

It's like a tube guitar amp vs solid state. Electric drums so popular years ago 
vs "real" drums (maybe calfskin heads vs plastic).  My wifes pie crust vs Can'O 
crust.  You get the idea.  

BO is very good, I think very natural and very easy and cheap.  For now I'm 
spending on ink and paper, not RIPs and the like.  

The real test?  I shot a Barmitzvah for a freind a month ago.  All TX, all 
scanned and the prints will be not silver but BO with Ebony on PR.  We'll see 
what the reaction is.

Neil Swanson

Hello Neil,

>I have BO prints from Agfa APX100 in Rodinal 1:50 or 1:25.  
>Blazing sharp negs with killer edge sharpness.  APX in Rodinal 
>will do that.  The BO prints look very very much like they would 
>on silver and for me that is the point.

I'd love to see one of your prints, would you care to do an exchange?
 Please contact me by email.


>The real test?  I shot a Barmitzvah for a freind a month ago.  All 
>TX, all scanned and the prints will be not silver but BO with Ebony 
>on PR.  We'll see what the reaction is.

Let us know.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Saturday, December 13, 2003, 6:34:31 PM, you wrote:

CJ> I'd love to see one of your prints, would you care to do an exchange?
CJ> Please contact me by email.

So would I. Let's do a small BO print exchange. I'm getting some
gorgeously sharp, vibrant 2200/Eboni BO prints with my Fuji GW690III
and Contax G2 negs.

So, who's up for it?  I'll coordinate if no one else wants to.

-- 
Best regards,
 Richard                            mailto:richard@...

Richard:

I'm in. It would work well is if were such a small group that we could
just mail off a print to each other and need no coordinator. But if
there's a large enough interest to have a coordinator and some central
distribution point, so much the merrier. 

Bob Michaels

. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard
Sintchak <richcontaxg@s...> wrote:
> 
> Saturday, December 13, 2003, 6:34:31 PM, you wrote:
> 
> CJ> I'd love to see one of your prints, would you care to do an
exchange?

> CJ> Please contact me by email.
> 
> So would I. Let's do a small BO print exchange. I'm getting some
> gorgeously sharp, vibrant 2200/Eboni BO prints with my Fuji GW690III
> and Contax G2 negs.
> 
> So, who's up for it?  I'll coordinate if no one else wants to.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Richard                            mailto:richard@c...

Hello Richard:

>I'm in. 

Me too.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Richard,

Include me in (if you happen to be the coordinator),
I'm interested to see what others are doing with the
2200

Don

--- Richard Sintchak <richcontaxg@...>
wrote:
> 
> Saturday, December 13, 2003, 6:34:31 PM, you wrote:
> 
> CJ> I'd love to see one of your prints, would you
> care to do an exchange?
> CJ> Please contact me by email.
> 
> So would I. Let's do a small BO print exchange. I'm
> getting some
> gorgeously sharp, vibrant 2200/Eboni BO prints with
> my Fuji GW690III
> and Contax G2 negs.
> 
> So, who's up for it?  I'll coordinate if no one else
> wants to.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Richard                           
> mailto:richard@...
> 
> 


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Sunday, December 14, 2003, 4:49:13 AM, you wrote:

BM> Richard:

BM> I'm in. It would work well is if were such a small group that we could
BM> just mail off a print to each other and need no coordinator. But if
BM> there's a large enough interest to have a coordinator and some central
BM> distribution point, so much the merrier. 

BM> Bob Michaels

Ok, some have mentioned after the holiday rush as being better. I
agree. We'll make the deadline Jan. 31, 2004.

Unless I get a huge rush of requests (4 so far) I agree also that it
can be an exchange for a small group of us perhaps to send individual
packages to all.

If there is a desire for a central coordinator and all want to send
all to me for distribution that's fine too.

For the first one I'll limit it to 8 people . So far I have:

Me (Richard Sintchak)
Clayton Jones
Bob Michaels
Neil Swanson

Neil said perhaps he wants to do a few images from different negs.  I
will probably do the same.  Thus the smaller number of participants.

Next 4 people who want in on a BO print exchange email me directly and
you are in (with maybe 2 alternates).

-- 
Best regards,
 Richard                            mailto:richard@...

Sunday, December 14, 2003, 8:18:23 AM, you wrote:

RS> If there is a desire for a central coordinator and all want to send
RS> all to me for distribution that's fine too.

RS> For the first one I'll limit it to 8 people . So far I have:

RS> Me (Richard Sintchak)
RS> Clayton Jones
RS> Bob Michaels
RS> Neil Swanson

RS> Neil said perhaps he wants to do a few images from different negs.  I
RS> will probably do the same.  Thus the smaller number of participants.

RS> Next 4 people who want in on a BO print exchange email me directly and
RS> you are in (with maybe 2 alternates).

Don Hill is in too.

Three spots remain.

-- 
Best regards,
 Richard                            mailto:richard@...

I would like to take part in the Black Only printing exhcange. Can 
you fill me in on the requirements for participation? My interest has 
been renewed in BO printing since my inks are running low on the 
other gray densities.

Your friend in Photography


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Sintchak 
<richcontaxg@s...> wrote:
> 
> Sunday, December 14, 2003, 8:18:23 AM, you wrote:
> 
> RS> If there is a desire for a central coordinator and all want to 
send
> RS> all to me for distribution that's fine too.
> 
> RS> For the first one I'll limit it to 8 people . So far I have:
> 
> RS> Me (Richard Sintchak)
> RS> Clayton Jones
> RS> Bob Michaels
> RS> Neil Swanson
> 
> RS> Neil said perhaps he wants to do a few images from different 
negs.  I
> RS> will probably do the same.  Thus the smaller number of 
participants.
> 
> RS> Next 4 people who want in on a BO print exchange email me 
directly and

> RS> you are in (with maybe 2 alternates).
> 
> Don Hill is in too.
> 
> Three spots remain.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Richard                            mailto:richard@c...

Sunday, December 14, 2003, 9:48:04 AM, you wrote:

JE> I would like to take part in the Black Only printing exhcange. Can
JE> you fill me in on the requirements for participation? My interest has
JE> been renewed in BO printing since my inks are running low on the 
JE> other gray densities.

JE> Your friend in Photography

Ok Johnny, you are in too.  2 spaces left.  Details forthcoming but in
essence it will be A4/letter size prints, at least one, sent to all in
the exchange. You will then get 7 packages from other with their
prints.  Only requirement is BO printed.

-- 
Best regards,
 Richard                            mailto:richard@...

I'd like to be in on this as well.  I've done a lot of BO printing in
the past, and I'm currently working with the MIS VM inks, but a recent
BO print has renewed my interest and I'd really love to see what others
are getting as well, especially with the 2200 as compared to my 1280.

Thanks,
Ed
http://lightandsilver.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Sintchak [mailto:richcontaxg@...] 
> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 1:39 PM
> To: Johnny Eades
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: BO print exchange? WAS: BO 
> printing and grain or is it dots?
> 
> 
> 
> Sunday, December 14, 2003, 9:48:04 AM, you wrote:
> 
> JE> I would like to take part in the Black Only printing exhcange. Can
> JE> you fill me in on the requirements for participation? My 
> interest has
> JE> been renewed in BO printing since my inks are running low on the 
> JE> other gray densities.
> 
> JE> Your friend in Photography
> 
> Ok Johnny, you are in too.  2 spaces left.  Details forthcoming but in
> essence it will be A4/letter size prints, at least one, sent to all in
> the exchange. You will then get 7 packages from other with their
> prints.  Only requirement is BO printed.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Richard                            mailto:richard@...
> 
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I would like to join as well! However in my efforts of BO with a 
2200 I get some very uneven steps in the 21 step wedge. Anyone have 
any idea why? (I'm printing from PS CS and windows XP) QTR on my Mac 
is just fine, but I would like to get to Mr Claytons standard if 
poss.


Thanks

Sierra Gold--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Alan 
Zinn <AZinn@n...> wrote:
> At 08:12 AM 12/14/03 -0800, you wrote:
> >Richard,
> >
> >Include me in (if you happen to be the coordinator),
> >I'm interested to see what others are doing with the
> >2200
> >
> >Don
> >
> >--- Richard Sintchak <richcontaxg@s...>
> >wrote:
> > >
> > > Saturday, December 13, 2003, 6:34:31 PM, you wrote:
> > >
> > > CJ> I'd love to see one of your prints, would you
> > > care to do an exchange?
> > > CJ> Please contact me by email.
> > >
> > > So would I. Let's do a small BO print exchange. I'm
> > > getting some
> > > gorgeously sharp, vibrant 2200/Eboni BO prints with
> > > my Fuji GW690III
> > > and Contax G2 negs.
> > >
> > > So, who's up for it?  I'll coordinate if no one else
> > > wants to.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > >  Richard
> > > mailto:richard@c...
> > >
> > >
> 
> I'd like to participate.  It would be nice to keep the size to 8 x 
> 10's.   Even a postcard exchange would be OK by me. Got my order 
in for a 

> jug of Ebony black- now to find the paper.
> 
> AZ
> 
> 
> 
> Build a Lookaround!
> The Lookaround Book, 2nd ed.
> NOW SHIPPING
> http://www.panoramacamera.us

Richard,

I just tried to call you but realized I have your work number.  Can
you give me a call?  got an idea...

Clayton

At 08:12 AM 12/14/03 -0800, you wrote:
>Richard,
>
>Include me in (if you happen to be the coordinator),
>I'm interested to see what others are doing with the
>2200
>
>Don
>
>--- Richard Sintchak <richcontaxg@...>
>wrote:
> >
> > Saturday, December 13, 2003, 6:34:31 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > CJ> I'd love to see one of your prints, would you
> > care to do an exchange?
> > CJ> Please contact me by email.
> >
> > So would I. Let's do a small BO print exchange. I'm
> > getting some
> > gorgeously sharp, vibrant 2200/Eboni BO prints with
> > my Fuji GW690III
> > and Contax G2 negs.
> >
> > So, who's up for it?  I'll coordinate if no one else
> > wants to.
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >  Richard
> > mailto:richard@...
> >
> >

I'd like to participate.  It would be nice to keep the size to 8 x 
10's.   Even a postcard exchange would be OK by me. Got my order in for a 
jug of Ebony black- now to find the paper.

AZ



Build a Lookaround!
The Lookaround Book, 2nd ed.
NOW SHIPPING
http://www.panoramacamera.us

Richard,

If it is not too late, please include me in the exchange. I've been 
printing with Clayton's BO approach for several months on my 2200 
using the standard Matte Black. I am interested in sharing my work 
and seeing other BO prints.

Thanks,
David

--- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "flyfishingusa2002" 
<tflyfish@c...> wrote:
> I would like to join as well! However in my efforts of BO with a 
> 2200 I get some very uneven steps in the 21 step wedge. Anyone 
have 
> any idea why? (I'm printing from PS CS and windows XP) QTR on my 
Mac 
> is just fine, but I would like to get to Mr Claytons standard if 
> poss.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Sierra Gold--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
Alan 
> Zinn <AZinn@n...> wrote:
> > At 08:12 AM 12/14/03 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Richard,
> > >
> > >Include me in (if you happen to be the coordinator),
> > >I'm interested to see what others are doing with the
> > >2200
> > >
> > >Don
> > >
> > >--- Richard Sintchak <richcontaxg@s...>
> > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Saturday, December 13, 2003, 6:34:31 PM, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > CJ> I'd love to see one of your prints, would you
> > > > care to do an exchange?
> > > > CJ> Please contact me by email.
> > > >
> > > > So would I. Let's do a small BO print exchange. I'm
> > > > getting some
> > > > gorgeously sharp, vibrant 2200/Eboni BO prints with
> > > > my Fuji GW690III
> > > > and Contax G2 negs.
> > > >
> > > > So, who's up for it?  I'll coordinate if no one else
> > > > wants to.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >  Richard
> > > > mailto:richard@c...
> > > >
> > > >
> > 
> > I'd like to participate.  It would be nice to keep the size to 8 
x 

> > 10's.   Even a postcard exchange would be OK by me. Got my order 
> in for a 
> > jug of Ebony black- now to find the paper.
> > 
> > AZ
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Build a Lookaround!
> > The Lookaround Book, 2nd ed.
> > NOW SHIPPING
> > http://www.panoramacamera.us

If you guys go with a second round of this, I'd certainly be willing to 
participate.  Unfortunately, at the moment, I'm waiting for a new 
monitor to arrive.  The red gun has gone on the old one, so I can't put 
together a piece to contribute until the new monitor arrives and I dig 
my way out of the work backlog.


 
Keith Krebs

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User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
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guys"

Sunday, December 14, 2003, 8:44:34 PM, you wrote:

EPOVIS> If you guys go with a second round of this, I'd certainly be willing to
EPOVIS> participate.  Unfortunately, at the moment, I'm waiting for a new
EPOVIS> monitor to arrive.  The red gun has gone on the old one, so I can't put
EPOVIS> together a piece to contribute until the new monitor arrives and I dig
EPOVIS> my way out of the work backlog.



EPOVIS> Keith Krebs

Great Keith.  Having been in exchange in the past which included your
prints I look forward to seeing something again from you next time.

-- 
Best regards,
 Richard                            mailto:richard@...