Digital BW, The Print

ITSUPPLIES.COM has an introductory special on the PremierArt 
PrintShield spray for $9.99 a can.  Regular price at most places is 
about $15.

Carl  -
 
Thanks for the info.  That's a good price.  I just ordered 8 cans.
 
Tom Baker

Carl Schofield <scho@...> wrote:
ITSUPPLIES.COM has an introductory special on the PremierArt 
PrintShield spray for $9.99 a can.  Regular price at most places is 
about $15.



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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
<scho@m...> wrote:
> ITSUPPLIES.COM has an introductory special on the PremierArt 
> PrintShield spray for $9.99 a can.  Regular price at most places is 
> about $15.

Good deal.  How many prints will one can cover?  Just trying to 
figure out how many to buy.

Dan

I don't know for sure - still on my first can with only a few test 
prints sprayed so far.  The pdf brochure claims about 75 8x10 prints 
per can, but I assume that means just with one coat.  Takes anywhere 
from 3 to 5 coats (depending on ink and paper) to get effective 
bronzing reduction and even coating with the RC papers.

On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:37  PM, dan_honemann@... 
wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield
> <scho@m...> wrote:
>> ITSUPPLIES.COM has an introductory special on the PremierArt
>> PrintShield spray for $9.99 a can.  Regular price at most places is
>> about $15.
>
> Good deal.  How many prints will one can cover?  Just trying to
> figure out how many to buy.
>
> Dan

Carl

Have you had the chance to test with Epson UCs and Premium Semi-Gloss yet?

Steve

From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:23:22 -0500
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: PremierArt PrintShield Sale

I don't know for sure - still on my first can with only a few test
prints sprayed so far.  The pdf brochure claims about 75 8x10 prints
per can, but I assume that means just with one coat.  Takes anywhere
from 3 to 5 coats (depending on ink and paper) to get effective
bronzing reduction and even coating with the RC papers.




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I've been using this stuff for about 3 months.  I don't do 8x10's so it's hard for me to judge. But, using 3 coats, I would think that the 50-75 might hold up.  But, the bronzing reduction apparently getting better with more than three coats, you might want to cut that in half.
 
Tom Baker

Carl Schofield <scho@...> wrote:
I don't know for sure - still on my first can with only a few test 
prints sprayed so far.  The pdf brochure claims about 75 8x10 prints 
per can, but I assume that means just with one coat.  Takes anywhere 
from 3 to 5 coats (depending on ink and paper) to get effective 
bronzing reduction and even coating with the RC papers.

On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:37  PM, dan_honemann@... 
wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield
> <scho@m...> wrote:
>> ITSUPPLIES.COM has an introductory special on the PremierArt
>> PrintShield spray for $9.99 a can.  Regular price at most places is
>> about $15.
>
> Good deal.  How many prints will one can cover?  Just trying to
> figure out how many to buy.
>
> Dan



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Thanks, folks.  I ordered three cans for now.  I'm really looking 
forward to reduced bronzing on glossy papers.

Dan

I'm expecting a shipment of semi-gloss tomorrow and will try it then.  
I don't expect to see results much different from what Paul reported 
with the UT inkset.  I did try the UC inks via QTR on the PermaJet 
Oyster (I think similar to Epson semi-matte) and bronzing was greatly 
reduced with 3 coats of the PrintShield.  The PK Dmax also went up to 
2.50 after spraying (measured about 4 hours after drying).

Carl

On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 03:59  PM, Steve Kale wrote:

> Carl
>
> Have you had the chance to test with Epson UCs and Premium Semi-Gloss 
> yet?
>
> Steve
>
>
> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:23:22 -0500
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: PremierArt PrintShield Sale
>
> I don't know for sure - still on my first can with only a few test
> prints sprayed so far.  The pdf brochure claims about 75 8x10 prints
> per can, but I assume that means just with one coat.  Takes anywhere
> from 3 to 5 coats (depending on ink and paper) to get effective
> bronzing reduction and even coating with the RC papers.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Dan -
 
I may have missed it, but I didn't see posts about success with removing/reducing bronzing on glossy papers.  The discussion has been around semi-gloss/semi-matt.  If I did miss it, which glossy paper(s) work best?
 
Tom Baker

dan_honemann@... wrote:
Thanks, folks.  I ordered three cans for now.  I'm really looking 
forward to reduced bronzing on glossy papers.

Dan



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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tom Baker 
<tbaker1328@s...> wrote:
> Dan -
>  
> I may have missed it, but I didn't see posts about success with 
> removing/reducing bronzing on glossy papers.  

I don't recall reading results with glossy papers, either.  I intend 
to use the spray with Epson Premium Semi-gloss.  Although I suppose 
it is possible that it will have the same effect on full-gloss papers 
as well. I'll try it and let you know the results (I have some 
Pictorico White Film paper, which is hi-gloss).

Dan

just wondering if it is possible to get printshield in a non aerosol 
can.

One of my other past times means I have a compressor air brushes and 
touch up guns which I use for painting and the difference in quality 
between an aerosol, and a touch up gun is night and day.

Stephen

Stephen  -
 
This is a very good spray applicator.  But, to you question, there are apparently laws/rules/regulations that permit sale of certain chemicals to the general public that are considered hazardous as long as they are packaged in small volume.  This may be one of them.  You'll notice that it can only be shipped surface.  I was told by one supplier that they had to get special permits to be able to ship it UPS. Also, I saw a quote from some big print house that said they did not coat their prints because they would have to get special permits, etc.  Maybe someone who know what's in this stuff can tell us for sure.
 
Tom Baker

Stephen & Mari Barrett <bellapix@...> wrote:
just wondering if it is possible to get printshield in a non aerosol 
can.

One of my other past times means I have a compressor air brushes and 
touch up guns which I use for painting and the difference in quality 
between an aerosol, and a touch up gun is night and day.

Stephen



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Cheers Tom
It is likely that they don't allow air transport of an aerosol, because 
it is a "pressure vessel". Being at a different atmospheric pressure 
could cause it to rupture.

I would be really interested to learn what print shield is. I wondered 
if an automotive "Clear Coat Acrylic" would be any use. I don't mind 
painting a couple of prints with this and sending them to members of 
the list for assesment.

Clear Coat is a top finish that is used to increase gloss. It is also 
designed to go on "thinner" than paint or primers, so I am not sure if 
it will gloss up matte prints too much or not, or if it will be too 
brittle and prone to flaking if the print is rolled up or flexed. One 
problem some have mentioned about Print Shield, is that it can appear 
gritty or grainy until you get three or more coats on. This is almost 
certainly due to a combination of the aerosol spray tip, and also the 
thinning chemical in the Print Shield. It is crucial to have your 
"paint" correctly thinned. Dirrerent tempreture and humidity will 
require a different thinner to achieve a high quality finish. When they 
put product in aerosol cans they do change it basically into winter and 
summer mixtures. It is often hard to know which one you have. Aerosols 
do not atomise the "paint" (meaning product being sprayed) nearly so 
well meaning you tend to get a heavy "orange peel" type of finish on 
whatever you are painting.

Something I have read about in my short time here is "bronzing". I am 
not exactly sure what this is. Does it refer to a texture in the top 
coat coating the print, or does it mean a colour shift if you look from 
an angle at the printed surface. Either could be due to too heavy a 
coat of finish.

I think it would be really interesting to put on some automotive finish 
and see if the finish holds it together and if the finish has enough UV 
protection in it to increase the life of the print.

Of course the thinners in the clear might make the print run all over 
the page.

Stephen

On 19/12/2003, at 1:32 AM, Tom Baker wrote:

> Stephen  -
>
> This is a very good spray applicator.  But, to you question, there are 
> apparently laws/rules/regulations that permit sale of certain 
> chemicals to the general public that are considered hazardous as long 
> as they are packaged in small volume.  This may be one of them.  
> You'll notice that it can only be shipped surface.  I was told by one 
> supplier that they had to get special permits to be able to ship it 
> UPS. Also, I saw a quote from some big print house that said they did 
> not coat their prints because they would have to get special permits, 
> etc.  Maybe someone who know what's in this stuff can tell us for 
> sure.
>
> Tom Baker