Digital BW, The Print

The well-known "Epson Photo Paper" (S041141 in letter size) is 
a semi-gloss paper that I believe Epson is presently marketing 
under the name "Glossy Photo Paper".
My question is whether or not this particular paper is properly 
classified as "nanoporous" type. I had been under the 
impression that a later product, "Premium Glossy Photo Paper" 
(of orange-shift notoriety) was Epson's first product of the 
"microporous" (or nanoporous) type. I thought that the earlier  
paper (Photo Paper) is swellable and is _not_  a 
nanoporous/microporous variety. Anyone know for sure?

Phil

hello,

I would like to know what "computer papers" people are
using to print b&w pix off of their computers.

I have an HP Photosmart 1115 and have tried using
thier inks and paper and the results for b&w are not
good.

I thne tried Ilford smooth gloss or pearl.
Brightcube Gloss and duet gloss
Legion photo matte and photo gloss

All of which pailed to an old fashioned b&w

thanks
J


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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Rose"
<pjrose@f...> 
wrote:
> The well-known "Epson Photo Paper" (S041141 in letter size) is 
> a semi-gloss paper that I believe Epson is presently marketing 
> under the name "Glossy Photo Paper".
> My question is whether or not this particular paper is properly 
> classified as "nanoporous" type. I had been under the 
> impression that a later product, "Premium Glossy Photo Paper" 
> (of orange-shift notoriety) was Epson's first product of the 
> "microporous" (or nanoporous) type. I thought that the earlier  
> paper (Photo Paper) is swellable and is _not_  a 
> nanoporous/microporous variety. Anyone know for sure?

So...no one on this list is willing/able to comment on this somewhat
OT point? As I 
recall, the terms "microporous" and "nanoporous" only started to be
in common use 
for inkjet papers after Epson brought out its Premium Glossy Photo
Paper product, 
and this happened about a year or two after Epson Photo Paper
appeared on the 
scene. I had always assumed that the new paper (PGPP) had unique
properties 
(including ozone sensitivity) that resulted from its special
"microporous" feature, and 
hence that Epson's previous paper (like Photo paper) was not the
microporous type. 
But I've been told (elsewhere) that the old Photo Paper _is_
"nanoporous" (or 
microporous). I suppose I could ask Epson. ;-)

Anyway, here's another question: Are the terms "microporous" and
"nanoporous"  
used interchangably by the inkjet industry, and if so, why? 
Certainly there is a 
difference between  the meanings of these suffixes, "micro" and
"nano"--a big 
difference. Is it merely a matter of meaningless marketing jargon? Or
are there 
actually papers available with distinctly different (smaller) pore
sizes than what are 
called "microporous"?
Enquiring minds, and all that...;-)

Any comments appreciated.

Phil

Phil Rose wrote:

>
>So...no one on this list is willing/able to comment on this somewhat
>OT point? 
>

It's a microporous paper.


 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:
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and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
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"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"

Phil Rose wrote:

>
>Anyway, here's another question: Are the terms "microporous" and
>"nanoporous"  
>used interchangably by the inkjet industry, and if so, why? 
>Certainly there is a 
>difference between  the meanings of these suffixes, "micro" and
>"nano"--a big 
>difference. Is it merely a matter of meaningless marketing jargon? 
>
The pores vary in maximum size, yes.  Whether marketers use the terms 
properly, only the actual vendor or paper manufacturer would know..

An important sub-group IS micro-ceramic papers (like Pictorico's)

Since the early 1990s, AFAIK, only HP used predominantly swellable 
polymer (instead of microporous papers) as the default media of choice.

 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor 
P.O.V. Image Service" <editor@p...> wrote:

> >
> The pores vary in maximum size, yes.  Whether marketers use 
the terms 
> properly, only the actual vendor or paper manufacturer would 
know..
> 
> An important sub-group IS micro-ceramic papers (like 
Pictorico's)
> 
> Since the early 1990s, AFAIK, only HP used predominantly 
swellable 
> polymer (instead of microporous papers) as the default media 
of choice.

Thanks for the reply, Keith. It seems I had gotten the mistaken 
notion that PGPP was Epson's first microporous paper because 
that product introduction coincided with my first awareness of  
the term  "microporous paper"  (used in inkjet discussion 
groups, news-media, etc.). I guess I just wasn't paying enough 
attention, previously. 

Phil

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From: "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" <editor@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson "Photo Paper"--nanoporous, or
not?



Since the early 1990s, AFAIK, only HP used predominantly
swellable
polymer (instead of microporous papers) as the default media of
choice.


Keith Krebs


Add Ilford to that list. Their Ciba-Geigy based Archiva dyes and
the compatible gelatine (swellable) papers have been the first
that had some fadeproof qualities. But that was in the wide
format market, Encad Novajets etc.

Ernst