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Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

2004-01-08 by Carl Schofield

I've been getting some excellent BO prints using MIS Eboni printed on 
Epson Premium Semi-gloss with an Epson 2200 (2880 dpi, 20% dot gain 
print space).  The prints need to be sprayed with PremierArt Print 
Shield, both to prevent rub-off and to bring out the full beauty and 
high dmax (2.2) on this media.  Right out of the printer, the prints 
will look dull and flat because Eboni is not designed for RC papers and 
sits on the surface (caution - will rub off easily at this point), but 
after the Print Shield spraying (3 coats) the prints are durable with 
no rub off.  The prints also exhibit no bronzing and no metamerism.  
The sprayed prints have a smooth, soft gloss surface very similar to an 
air dried silver print and they appear neutral.  Densitometer 
measurements of the c, m, y densities of a 50% gray patch were 0.65, 
0.65, 0.65 for Eboni and for Epson Photo black 0.61, 0.65, 0.67 
respectively.  Below are links to two scans of sprayed, BO prints 
(approx. 8x8.5 prints) on semi-gloss - one with Eboni and the other for 
comparison (very warm) with Epson Photo Black ink (PK).  The Eboni scan 
may appear to have a color cast (depends on monitor and browser 
settings), but there is none in the actual print.  The PK print has a 
chesnut brown hue, but no gloss differential and also no bronzing or 
metamerism.  There are two possible negatives associated with the use 
of Eboni on this paper.  One is a very slight gloss differential at 
100% black, but if a particular image has large areas of 100% black 
this can be remedied with a simple adjustment curve to limit output at 
100% to about 98%, otherwise no adjustments are needed.  The second 
negative is midtone grain that will be visible in large areas with 
smooth gray midtone values.  Most of my images are busy landscapes 
where this effect is not visible, but this might be a problem for 
portraits.  I also tried using the UC inkset with both Eboni K and 
Epson PK via QTR, but whenever the light inks (LK, LM, and LC) are 
introduced into the mix bronzing becomes a problem on semi-gloss.  It 
is attenuated by the spray treatment, but still visible to some extent 
and disturbing to me in some prints (YMMV).  Neither the Epson Photo K 
or Eboni K will exhibit bronzing when used alone and subsequently 
sprayed with Print Shield.  The non-linear Epson driver also produces 
some shadow blocking in the 95-100% region, but when necessary this can 
be corrected by using a custom dot gain softproof profile and making 
simple curve adjustments.

Eboni:

http://www.homepage.mac.com/scho/Eboni.jpg

Epson PK:

http://www.homepage.mac.com/scho/PK.jpg

Eye-One scans of 21 Step wedges for Eboni and PK:

http://homepage.mac.com/scho/EBPK.jpg

Re: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

2004-01-08 by Richard Sintchak

Thursday, January 8, 2004, 8:13:45 AM, you wrote:

CS> I've been getting some excellent BO prints using MIS Eboni printed on
CS> Epson Premium Semi-gloss with an Epson 2200 (2880 dpi, 20% dot gain
CS> print space). 

Carl,

Thanks for sharing in detail you experience in this.  I have some
Epson Lustre and Ilford Smooth Pearl I'll try this with too.  By
chance did you try it with either of those?  The Ilford in particular
gave me the least bronzing when printing 2200 color prints.

-- 
Best regards,
 Richard                            mailto:richard@...

RE: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

2004-01-08 by Paul Roark

Carl,

Very nice.  

My 1280 doesn't seem to be able to print BO without banding.  Is this a 1280
v. 2200 difference, or is it just my 1280?

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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From: Carl Schofield [mailto:scho@...] 
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Subject: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

I've been getting some excellent BO prints using MIS Eboni printed on 
Epson Premium Semi-gloss with an Epson 2200 (2880 dpi, 20% dot gain 
print space).  The prints need to be sprayed with PremierArt Print 
Shield, both to prevent rub-off and to bring out the full beauty and 
high dmax (2.2) on this media.  Right out of the printer, the prints 
will look dull and flat because Eboni is not designed for RC papers and 
sits on the surface (caution - will rub off easily at this point), but 
after the Print Shield spraying (3 coats) the prints are durable with 
no rub off.  The prints also exhibit no bronzing and no metamerism.  
The sprayed prints have a smooth, soft gloss surface very similar to an 
air dried silver print and they appear neutral.  Densitometer 
measurements of the c, m, y densities of a 50% gray patch were 0.65, 
0.65, 0.65 for Eboni and for Epson Photo black 0.61, 0.65, 0.67 
respectively.  Below are links to two scans of sprayed, BO prints 
(approx. 8x8.5 prints) on semi-gloss - one with Eboni and the other for 
comparison (very warm) with Epson Photo Black ink (PK).  The Eboni scan 
may appear to have a color cast (depends on monitor and browser 
settings), but there is none in the actual print.  The PK print has a 
chesnut brown hue, but no gloss differential and also no bronzing or 
metamerism.  There are two possible negatives associated with the use 
of Eboni on this paper.  One is a very slight gloss differential at 
100% black, but if a particular image has large areas of 100% black 
this can be remedied with a simple adjustment curve to limit output at 
100% to about 98%, otherwise no adjustments are needed.  The second 
negative is midtone grain that will be visible in large areas with 
smooth gray midtone values.  Most of my images are busy landscapes 
where this effect is not visible, but this might be a problem for 
portraits.  I also tried using the UC inkset with both Eboni K and 
Epson PK via QTR, but whenever the light inks (LK, LM, and LC) are 
introduced into the mix bronzing becomes a problem on semi-gloss.  It 
is attenuated by the spray treatment, but still visible to some extent 
and disturbing to me in some prints (YMMV).  Neither the Epson Photo K 
or Eboni K will exhibit bronzing when used alone and subsequently 
sprayed with Print Shield.  The non-linear Epson driver also produces 
some shadow blocking in the 95-100% region, but when necessary this can 
be corrected by using a custom dot gain softproof profile and making 
simple curve adjustments.

Eboni:

http://www.homepage.mac.com/scho/Eboni.jpg

Epson PK:

http://www.homepage.mac.com/scho/PK.jpg

Eye-One scans of 21 Step wedges for Eboni and PK:

http://homepage.mac.com/scho/EBPK.jpg


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Re: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

2004-01-08 by Carl Schofield

Paul,

My ageing 1270 also exhibits some microbanding with BO printing, which 
seems to be more pronounced on semi-gloss than matte papers.  I don't 
get any banding with the 2200 when printing BO.  I've been using the 
2880x1440 dpi driver setting with high speed checked.  Also, the 2200 
does not produce the pizza wheel tooth marks (I don't even know if it 
has pizza wheels) on semi-gloss that you described earlier with your 
1280 and that I also see on the 1270 semi-gloss prints.
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On Thursday, January 8, 2004, at 12:25  PM, Paul Roark wrote:

> Carl,
>
> Very nice.
>
> My 1280 doesn't seem to be able to print BO without banding.  Is this 
> a 1280
> v. 2200 difference, or is it just my 1280?

Re: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

2004-01-08 by Carl Schofield

Richard,

I haven't tried either of those papers yet, but I have obtained similar 
results with PermaJet Oyster 271 (a semi-matte RC paper).

Carl
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On Thursday, January 8, 2004, at 11:40  AM, Richard Sintchak wrote:

>
> Thursday, January 8, 2004, 8:13:45 AM, you wrote:
>
> CS> I've been getting some excellent BO prints using MIS Eboni printed 
> on
> CS> Epson Premium Semi-gloss with an Epson 2200 (2880 dpi, 20% dot gain
> CS> print space).
>
> Carl,
>
> Thanks for sharing in detail you experience in this.  I have some
> Epson Lustre and Ilford Smooth Pearl I'll try this with too.  By
> chance did you try it with either of those?  The Ilford in particular
> gave me the least bronzing when printing 2200 color prints.
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Richard                            mailto:richard@...
>

RE: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

2004-01-08 by Todd Morton

Paul,

I get banding on my 2200 if it is set to High Speed. If I uncheck the hig
speed box the banding goes away.

-Todd Morton
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Paul Roark wrote:

> Carl,
>
> Very nice.
>
> My 1280 doesn't seem to be able to print BO without banding.  Is this a 1280
> v. 2200 difference, or is it just my 1280?
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> __________________________
>

Re: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

2004-01-08 by Carl Schofield

Just a follow up note on the PermaJet Oyster 271.  This paper has a  
brighter white base than Epson Premium Semi-gloss and it prints  
slightly cooler with Eboni.  I actually like the brighter whites, but  
since there are no fade data for this paper I'm not sure how long the  
these snappy whites will last.
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On Thursday, January 8, 2004, at 01:20  PM, Carl Schofield wrote:

> Richard,
>
> I haven't tried either of those papers yet, but I have obtained similar
> results with PermaJet Oyster 271 (a semi-matte RC paper).
>
> Carl
>
> On Thursday, January 8, 2004, at 11:40  AM, Richard Sintchak wrote:
>
>>
>> Thursday, January 8, 2004, 8:13:45 AM, you wrote:
>>
>> CS> I've been getting some excellent BO prints using MIS Eboni printed
>> on
>> CS> Epson Premium Semi-gloss with an Epson 2200 (2880 dpi, 20% dot  
>> gain
>> CS> print space).
>>
>> Carl,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing in detail you experience in this.  I have some
>> Epson Lustre and Ilford Smooth Pearl I'll try this with too.  By
>> chance did you try it with either of those?  The Ilford in particular
>> gave me the least bronzing when printing 2200 color prints.
>>
>> --  
>> Best regards,
>>  Richard                            mailto:richard@...
>>
>
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RE: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

2004-01-09 by Alan Zinn

At 09:25 AM 1/8/04 -0800, you wrote:
>Carl,
>
>Very nice.
>
>My 1280 doesn't seem to be able to print BO without banding.  Is this a 1280
>v. 2200 difference, or is it just my 1280?
>
>Paul
>www.PaulRoark.com
>__________________________


Paul,

  I've done some very delicate, even sky tones on my 1280 and not gotten 
banding.  I'm working on some BO notes for my web page and have samples 
here: http://www.panoramacamera.us/BO_test-1.html

There is a piezo image made with my old 1200 that shows some faint banding. 
Banding is often intermittent and probably due to dirty but not completely 
clogged nozzles and printer needing re-alignment.

AZ



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Re: Eboni BO on Semi-gloss (and comparison with QTR print)

2004-01-12 by Carl Schofield

Here is another scan of an Eboni BO print on semi-gloss (sprayed with 
Print Shield) that has dominant mid tone and highlight areas.  The 8 
bit, 72 dpi RGB scan is of an approx. 8x10 inch print.  There is also a 
1200 dpi scan at 100% within the small area outlined in red on the full 
scan.  The latter shows the dither pattern and dot size distribution.  
The dots in the highlight area are not visible to me in the full size 
print without using a loupe (however, sharper eyes may be able to 
discern the dots).  Also, there are two comparable scans of a QTR print 
on EEM of the same image made with a 50:50 blend of a warm profile and 
a sepia profile.  The inkset for the QTR print included MIS Eboni K, 
UC-LK, UC-LM, UC-LC, UC-Y, and MIS UT-LG (the Y position light gray, 
but I used it in the M slot).  Comparing the crops you will notice how 
much smoother the highlight areas are in the QTR print where the UT_LG 
ink was used.  For this particular image, I prefer the hue that the QTR 
warm/sepia blend produces, but either print is acceptable at normal 
viewing distances.  I'm still trying to get bronzing free prints on 
semi-gloss with QTR and the UT/UC inks, but so far the Print Shield 
spray has not been successful in completely removing the bronzing that 
is present when the light inks are used.  I'm hoping that the UT2 inks 
that Paul is developing may perform better.

72 dpi full image Eboni BO:
  http://www.homepage.mac.com/scho/skull.jpg

1200 dpi crop Eboni BO:
http://www.homepage.mac.com/scho/crop.jpg

72 dpi full image QTR:
  http://www.homepage.mac.com/scho/skull2.jpg

1200 dpi crop QTR:
http://www.homepage.mac.com/scho/crop2.jpg


Carl
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On Thursday, January 8, 2004, at 11:13  AM, Carl Schofield wrote:

> I've been getting some excellent BO prints using MIS Eboni printed on 
> Epson Premium Semi-gloss with an Epson 2200 (2880 dpi, 20% dot gain 
> print space).  The prints need to be sprayed with PremierArt Print 
> Shield, both to prevent rub-off and to bring out the full beauty and 
> high dmax (2.2) on this media.  Right out of the printer, the prints 
> will look dull and flat because Eboni is not designed for RC papers 
> and sits on the surface (caution - will rub off easily at this point), 
> but after the Print Shield spraying (3 coats) the prints are durable 
> with no rub off.  The prints also exhibit no bronzing and no 
> metamerism.  The sprayed prints have a smooth, soft gloss surface very 
> similar to an air dried silver print and they appear neutral.  
> Densitometer measurements of the c, m, y densities of a 50% gray patch 
> were 0.65, 0.65, 0.65 for Eboni and for Epson Photo black 0.61, 0.65, 
> 0.67 respectively.  Below are links to two scans of sprayed, BO prints 
> (approx. 8x8.5 prints) on semi-gloss - one with Eboni and the other 
> for comparison (very warm) with Epson Photo Black ink (PK).  The Eboni 
> scan may appear to have a color cast (depends on monitor and browser 
> settings), but there is none in the actual print.  The PK print has a 
> chesnut brown hue, but no gloss differential and also no bronzing or 
> metamerism.  There are two possible negatives associated with the use 
> of Eboni on this paper.  One is a very slight gloss differential at 
> 100% black, but if a particular image has large areas of 100% black 
> this can be remedied with a simple adjustment curve to limit output at 
> 100% to about 98%, otherwise no adjustments are needed.  The second 
> negative is midtone grain that will be visible in large areas with 
> smooth gray midtone values.  Most of my images are busy landscapes 
> where this effect is not visible, but this might be a problem for 
> portraits.  I also tried using the UC inkset with both Eboni K and 
> Epson PK via QTR, but whenever the light inks (LK, LM, and LC) are 
> introduced into the mix bronzing becomes a problem on semi-gloss.  It 
> is attenuated by the spray treatment, but still visible to some extent 
> and disturbing to me in some prints (YMMV).  Neither the Epson Photo K 
> or Eboni K will exhibit bronzing when used alone and subsequently 
> sprayed with Print Shield.  The non-linear Epson driver also produces 
> some shadow blocking in the 95-100% region, but when necessary this 
> can be corrected by using a custom dot gain softproof profile and 
> making simple curve adjustments.
>
> Eboni:
>
> http://www.homepage.mac.com/scho/Eboni.jpg
>
> Epson PK:
>
> http://www.homepage.mac.com/scho/PK.jpg
>
> Eye-One scans of 21 Step wedges for Eboni and PK:
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/scho/EBPK.jpg
>

Re: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

2004-01-23 by Steve Kale

Carl

Is there any particular reason why you are using 20% dot gain print space vs
Gray Gamma 2.2 typically used for QTR work?  I have noted Clayton¹s
recommended settings but am puzzled as to the differences you see (when I
have dabbled in BO I must admit I have not altered my settings).

Thanks

Steve
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From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:13:45 -0500
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

<snip>
I've been getting some excellent BO prints using MIS Eboni printed on
Epson Premium Semi-gloss with an Epson 2200 (2880 dpi, 20% dot gain
print space).  


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

2004-01-23 by Carl Schofield

Steve,

I currently use gray gamma 2.2 for all of my grayscale workflows, 
including BO and QTR.

Carl
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On Friday, January 23, 2004, at 02:56  PM, Steve Kale wrote:

> Carl
>
> Is there any particular reason why you are using 20% dot gain print 
> space vs
> Gray Gamma 2.2 typically used for QTR work?  I have noted Clayton’s
> recommended settings but am puzzled as to the differences you see 
> (when I
> have dabbled in BO I must admit I have not altered my settings).
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
>
> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:13:45 -0500
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss
>
> <snip>
> I've been getting some excellent BO prints using MIS Eboni printed on
> Epson Premium Semi-gloss with an Epson 2200 (2880 dpi, 20% dot gain
> print space).
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

2004-01-23 by Steve Kale

Thanks Carl.  I am very happy to have one less thing to think about!  FYI
the Eboni work being done by you, Paul, CJ and others is making me think
about dumping UC K for Eboni.  Thanks for posting the Eboni vs UC PK
examples - I prefer its cooler hue.  I understand it is unlikely to affect
matt paper work too much but given the porting to RC paper work I think I
will make the switch.  (When I started with digital printing I never thought
there was so much "colour" in B&W work!)  An issue is the fact that it is
not available here in the UK but with some forward planning that can be
eliminated.

Steve

Re: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

2004-01-23 by Carl Schofield

Steve,

The only thing I don't like about printing Eboni BO on RC papers is the 
sensitivity of the print to rub-off right out of the printer and the 
necessity for spraying, otherwise the prints are beautiful after 
spraying.  I prefer the new "K-less" (no black ink) method of printing 
to RC papers with QTR and either the UT or UT2 inks because there is no 
bronzing or gloss differential and you do not have to spray unless you 
intend to display the prints un-glazed.

Carl
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On Friday, January 23, 2004, at 03:20  PM, Steve Kale wrote:

> Thanks Carl.  I am very happy to have one less thing to think about!  
> FYI
> the Eboni work being done by you, Paul, CJ and others is making me 
> think
> about dumping UC K for Eboni.  Thanks for posting the Eboni vs UC PK
> examples - I prefer its cooler hue.  I understand it is unlikely to 
> affect
> matt paper work too much but given the porting to RC paper work I 
> think I
> will make the switch.  (When I started with digital printing I never 
> thought
> there was so much "colour" in B&W work!)  An issue is the fact that it 
> is
> not available here in the UK but with some forward planning that can be
> eliminated.
>
> Steve
>

Re: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

2004-01-23 by Steve Kale

Carl

Thanks.  I am not ready to jump into the UT inks just yet as I still use my
2100 for colour work.  I am thinking of simply swapping my UC MK cartridge
for Eboni.  At least then I can experiment with the BO/RC/Eboni/Spray
techniques.  I can do same with PK but find it very warm.  I have not tried
BO/UC MK/RC/Spray - has anyone?

Steve
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From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:14:05 -0500
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

Steve,

The only thing I don't like about printing Eboni BO on RC papers is the
sensitivity of the print to rub-off right out of the printer and the
necessity for spraying, otherwise the prints are beautiful after
spraying.  I prefer the new "K-less" (no black ink) method of printing
to RC papers with QTR and either the UT or UT2 inks because there is no
bronzing or gloss differential and you do not have to spray unless you
intend to display the prints un-glazed.

Carl




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Re: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

2004-01-23 by Clayton Jones

Hello Steve,

>Is there any particular reason why you are using 20% dot gain 
>print space vs Gray Gamma 2.2 typically used for QTR work?  I 
>have noted Clayton¹s recommended settings but am puzzled as to 
>the differences you see (when I have dabbled in BO I must admit
>I have not altered my settings).

If you are following the BO workflow in the articles, the important
thing about the front end profile is that it doesn't change the
output, no matter what it is.  So the only reason for changing it
would be to achieve better WYSIWYG.  What someone uses would depend a
lot on their monitor, etc.  

I found myself using DG20 for most things (it's in the middle of the
range of canned profiles), with some images requiring something else
if they were mostly high or low key.  But I still wasn't completely
satisfied with it.  Then I made a custom DG18 curve (as described in
article #4) and set it up as the default, and it's proved to be much
more accurate and works fine for most images.  I'm using an LCD
monitor.

So the bottom line for this method is to do some experiments and find
what works best for you.  I recommended DG20 as a starting place just
because it's in the middle.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Re: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

2004-01-24 by Steve Kale

Thanks Clayton
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From: "Clayton Jones" <cj@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:16:53 -0000
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Eboni BO on Semi-gloss

Hello Steve,

>Is there any particular reason why you are using 20% dot gain
>print space vs Gray Gamma 2.2 typically used for QTR work?  I
>have noted Clayton¹s recommended settings but am puzzled as to
>the differences you see (when I have dabbled in BO I must admit
>I have not altered my settings).

If you are following the BO workflow in the articles, the important
thing about the front end profile is that it doesn't change the
output, no matter what it is.  So the only reason for changing it
would be to achieve better WYSIWYG.  What someone uses would depend a
lot on their monitor, etc.

I found myself using DG20 for most things (it's in the middle of the
range of canned profiles), with some images requiring something else
if they were mostly high or low key.  But I still wasn't completely
satisfied with it.  Then I made a custom DG18 curve (as described in
article #4) and set it up as the default, and it's proved to be much
more accurate and works fine for most images.  I'm using an LCD
monitor.

So the bottom line for this method is to do some experiments and find
what works best for you.  I recommended DG20 as a starting place just
because it's in the middle.

Regards,
Clayton




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