Digital BW, The Print

Hi All,

I am a photographer that has done B&W in the darkroom for over 30 years and
have recently started using a Nikon LS2000 scanner and a Epson 1200 with
Fotonic inks to print my color.  I have been reasonably pleased with the
results.  However, my real love is B&W.  I have been reading this list for
some time and have been looking for a Epson 1160 so that I can try printing
with the MIS quad blacks and the curves supplied on their site.  I have been
unable to locate an 1160 printer.  I have had one on order at referb.com for
a couple months but when I called them today they said that they had no idea
when or if they would have more.  It has occurred to me that I could change
over my 1200 to print hex blacks.  Is this the way to go?  Or, should I be
looking at a 1270 for B&W and continue to use the 1200 for color?  Or, the
other way around?  My understanding after talking with Karen at Digital Art
Supplies is that I can buy a kit for approx. $150.00 that includes the
Fotonic ink and a chip re-programer or that I can adapt the 1270 to run
Lyson hex blacks?  I'm a bit confused.  I gather from reading this list that
the 1160 with MIS quads and curves seems to be the way to go in this size
and price range, but that's looking like it may never happen with the lack
of the 1160 availability.  At this point I sure would appreciate any advise
that I can get from the list.  I suppose the 3000 is another option although
I think it's out of my price range.  I'm sure this subject has been covered
in the past but I have not had any luck finding it in the Database or Files
on the web site.  Again I would appreciate any help on this subject and
apologize for going over, what must be old ground, for most of you with
extensive experience printing B&W.  Thanks again,

RB Smith
E. Lansing, MI

You could search ebay for active or complete auctions of the 1160.  If you
find one by geodata systems (even if it is a completed auction), you could
then search for geodata systems website and buy one directly from them.  I
recently purchased one (within last week or two) from them and they had
several in stock at that time.  Their 1160s are refurbished and carry a one
year warranty.  They are selling for about $360.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Roger Smith [mailto:rbsmith@...]
  Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 8:49 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Printer for B&W


  Hi All,

  I am a photographer that has done B&W in the darkroom for over 30 years
and
  have recently started using a Nikon LS2000 scanner and a Epson 1200 with
  Fotonic inks to print my color.  I have been reasonably pleased with the
  results.  However, my real love is B&W.  I have been reading this list for
  some time and have been looking for a Epson 1160 so that I can try
printing
  with the MIS quad blacks and the curves supplied on their site.  I have
been
  unable to locate an 1160 printer.  I have had one on order at referb.com
for
  a couple months but when I called them today they said that they had no
idea
  when or if they would have more.  It has occurred to me that I could
change
  over my 1200 to print hex blacks.  Is this the way to go?  Or, should I be
  looking at a 1270 for B&W and continue to use the 1200 for color?  Or, the
  other way around?  My understanding after talking with Karen at Digital
Art
  Supplies is that I can buy a kit for approx. $150.00 that includes the
  Fotonic ink and a chip re-programer or that I can adapt the 1270 to run
  Lyson hex blacks?  I'm a bit confused.  I gather from reading this list
that
  the 1160 with MIS quads and curves seems to be the way to go in this size
  and price range, but that's looking like it may never happen with the lack
  of the 1160 availability.  At this point I sure would appreciate any
advise
  that I can get from the list.  I suppose the 3000 is another option
although
  I think it's out of my price range.  I'm sure this subject has been
covered
  in the past but I have not had any luck finding it in the Database or
Files
  on the web site.  Again I would appreciate any help on this subject and
  apologize for going over, what must be old ground, for most of you with
  extensive experience printing B&W.  Thanks again,

  RB Smith
  E. Lansing, MI



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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Rodger,

I would agree with Jerry. The 1280 would seem the way to go at the 
moment. Both the MIS VM and the Piezo inksets are available. I think 
the second choice would be a refurbished 3000 which would give even 
more ink options and a larger paper size but with some transport 
issues.

Refurb.com as come up a number of times as being less than honest and 
is noted for their willingness to take your order when they actually 
do not have any stock or reasonable expectation of getting stock. I 
would take my business elsewhere.

Martin Wesley

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Roger Smith <rbsmith@t...> 
wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I am a photographer that has done B&W in the darkroom for over 30 
years and
> have recently started using a Nikon LS2000 scanner and a Epson 1200 
with
> Fotonic inks to print my color.  I have been reasonably pleased 
with the
> results.  However, my real love is B&W.  I have been reading this 
list for
> some time and have been looking for a Epson 1160 so that I can try 
printing
> with the MIS quad blacks and the curves supplied on their site.  I 
have been
> unable to locate an 1160 printer.  I have had one on order at 
referb.com for
> a couple months but when I called them today they said that they 
had no idea
> when or if they would have more.  It has occurred to me that I 
could change
> over my 1200 to print hex blacks.  Is this the way to go?  Or, 
should I be
> looking at a 1270 for B&W and continue to use the 1200 for color?  
Or, the
> other way around?  My understanding after talking with Karen at 
Digital Art
> Supplies is that I can buy a kit for approx. $150.00 that includes 
the
> Fotonic ink and a chip re-programer or that I can adapt the 1270 to 
run
> Lyson hex blacks?  I'm a bit confused.  I gather from reading this 
list that
> the 1160 with MIS quads and curves seems to be the way to go in 
this size
> and price range, but that's looking like it may never happen with 
the lack
> of the 1160 availability.  At this point I sure would appreciate 
any advise
> that I can get from the list.  I suppose the 3000 is another option 
although
> I think it's out of my price range.  I'm sure this subject has been 
covered
> in the past but I have not had any luck finding it in the Database 
or Files
> on the web site.  Again I would appreciate any help on this subject 
and
> apologize for going over, what must be old ground, for most of you 
with

> extensive experience printing B&W.  Thanks again,
> 
> RB Smith
> E. Lansing, MI

Roger,

Please give me a call or email me here in EL to talk b/w printing, 
share info.
I have sick 1160 and piezo setup.  Looking for new b/w printer gear 
same as you.

Thanks,

Alan
332 1862
azinn@...





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Roger Smith <rbsmith@t...> 
wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I am a photographer that has done B&W in the darkroom for over 30 
years and
> have recently started using a Nikon LS2000 scanner and a Epson 1200 
with
> Fotonic inks to print my color.  I have been reasonably pleased 
with the
> results.  However, my real love is B&W.  I have been reading this 
list for
> some time and have been looking for a Epson 1160 so that I can try 
printing
> with the MIS quad blacks and the curves supplied on their site.  I 
have been
> unable to locate an 1160 printer.  I have had one on order at 
referb.com for
> a couple months but when I called them today they said that they 
had no idea
> when or if they would have more.  It has occurred to me that I 
could change
> over my 1200 to print hex blacks.  Is this the way to go?  Or, 
should I be
> looking at a 1270 for B&W and continue to use the 1200 for color?  
Or, the
> other way around?  My understanding after talking with Karen at 
Digital Art
> Supplies is that I can buy a kit for approx. $150.00 that includes 
the
> Fotonic ink and a chip re-programer or that I can adapt the 1270 to 
run
> Lyson hex blacks?  I'm a bit confused.  I gather from reading this 
list that
> the 1160 with MIS quads and curves seems to be the way to go in 
this size
> and price range, but that's looking like it may never happen with 
the lack
> of the 1160 availability.  At this point I sure would appreciate 
any advise
> that I can get from the list.  I suppose the 3000 is another option 
although
> I think it's out of my price range.  I'm sure this subject has been 
covered
> in the past but I have not had any luck finding it in the Database 
or Files
> on the web site.  Again I would appreciate any help on this subject 
and
> apologize for going over, what must be old ground, for most of you 
with

> extensive experience printing B&W.  Thanks again,
> 
> RB Smith
> E. Lansing, MI