Digital BW, The Print

I had some nice results with Epson Photo Paper (S041271) using the UT1 
inks without the K ink, printing through QTR.  The paper I used was 
some old stuff that I bought probably 3 to 4 years ago.  I want to 
order some more, but just wondered if Epson had made any changes to 
this paper in the intervening years since I last purchased it.  It 
sells for about $0.35/sheet in 100 sheet boxes of 8.5x11 at IT 
Supplies.  Also, I don't have any idea about longevity of prints on 
this paper with the UT inks - Paul, do you have any fade data for this 
paper with UT inks?  Most of the Wilhelm data for this paper was with 
dye inks and the ratings were in the range of 2-5 years, but one rating 
for EPP with some obscure monochrome inkset I never heard of before 
produced a rating of 100+ years.  I suspect that EPP is not an acid 
free paper, given that it is so cheap, but it might be OK for short 
term display prints.

Carl

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Carl,

>I had some nice results with Epson Photo Paper (S041271) using the UT1 
>inks without the K ink, printing through QTR.

It is the same paper as Epson Glossy Photo Paper, I believe.  The Glossy
Photo Paper is widely available a discount and office supply stores.  As
I've noted and you recently noted also, it's the only paper that has
virtually no bronzing of other reflective artifacts.

>  ... I don't have any idea about longevity of prints on 
>this paper with the UT inks -

I have no fade data, but it has acidic paper on the interior.  So, it's not
archival.  Since pigments are not radically affected by the paper their on,
I would assume the prints will not fade too fast.

While this Glossy Photo Paper may be the biggest bargain, I think Ilford
Galerie Smooth Pearl is the best value.  It, too, however, is an acidic
paper with a 30 year life.  For long life, only Epson Premium RC papers have
the buffered interior paper that gets them the Wilhelm ">200" year rating,
equal to what Wilhelm rates the cotton papers.  In light of the strong dmax
readings we're getting with the Ilford Smooth and Epson Premium Semigloss,
Glossy, and Luster, those are the RC papers I recommend.

I know some like the Permajet Oyster.  I have not tried it but will try to
get some.

I know some like Pictorico papers.  I'm not one of them, but the very warm
shadows that are beyond with UT1 can neutralize, can be made neutral with
UT2.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Paul,

Thanks for the info on this paper.  I got confused when I went to order 
because apparently it is still being sold under two different product 
descriptions and part numbers:  Epson Photo Paper (SO41271) and Epson 
Glossy Photo paper (SO41141).  The paper I have (no longer have the 
original box with part number) has "Epson Photo Paper" stamped all over 
the back.  Both papers are on Epson's store site, but the Epson Glossy 
Photo Paper listing also notes "formerly Epson Photo Paper".  
Confusing, but I guess I should be concentrating more on  the Epson 
premium RC papers for longevity.

Carl

On Tuesday, January 20, 2004, at 03:57  PM, Paul Roark wrote:

> Carl,
>
>> I had some nice results with Epson Photo Paper (S041271) using the UT1
>> inks without the K ink, printing through QTR.
>
> It is the same paper as Epson Glossy Photo Paper, I believe.  The 
> Glossy
> Photo Paper is widely available a discount and office supply stores.  
> As
> I've noted and you recently noted also, it's the only paper that has
> virtually no bronzing of other reflective artifacts.
>
>>  ... I don't have any idea about longevity of prints on
>> this paper with the UT inks -
>
> I have no fade data, but it has acidic paper on the interior.  So, 
> it's not
> archival.  Since pigments are not radically affected by the paper 
> their on,
> I would assume the prints will not fade too fast.
>
> While this Glossy Photo Paper may be the biggest bargain, I think 
> Ilford
> Galerie Smooth Pearl is the best value.  It, too, however, is an acidic
> paper with a 30 year life.  For long life, only Epson Premium RC 
> papers have
> the buffered interior paper that gets them the Wilhelm ">200" year 
> rating,
> equal to what Wilhelm rates the cotton papers.  In light of the strong 
> dmax
> readings we're getting with the Ilford Smooth and Epson Premium 
> Semigloss,
> Glossy, and Luster, those are the RC papers I recommend.
>
> I know some like the Permajet Oyster.  I have not tried it but will 
> try to
> get some.
>
> I know some like Pictorico papers.  I'm not one of them, but the very 
> warm
> shadows that are beyond with UT1 can neutralize, can be made neutral 
> with
> UT2.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield > 
because apparently it is still being sold under two different product 
> descriptions and part numbers:  Epson Photo Paper (SO41271) and 
Epson 
> Glossy Photo paper (SO41141).  

Paul, 
What's your take on Epson Photo Paper concerning dmax with the UT 
inksets and longevity.

I know this paper has been around longer than most. When Jon Cone was 
doing his south window longevity test, EPP faded the least of the 
bunch.

Cheers,
Andre

Andre,

>>...Epson Photo Paper (SO41271) and Epson Glossy Photo paper (SO41141). 

(They are the same paper.)
 

>Paul, What's your take on Epson Photo Paper concerning dmax with the UT 
>inksets and longevity.

It may depend on which system you have.  I only have UT2 loaded now, but the
dark gray (magenta) is the same as the UT dark gray (cyan).  When I just
print this dark gray at 100%, I get a dmax of only 1.67, and it looks a bit
weak because it is a warm 1.67.

With the UT2 inkset and printing the 100% patch with M (dark cold gray) and
C (dark carbon UT-C), I get a dmax of 1.9.  Because this black is cool, it
looks good and black to me.  

>... When Jon Cone was doing his south window longevity test, 
>EPP faded the least of the bunch.

That's interesting.  However, since the interior paper fibers are acidic,
the paper will not last very long.  I'd give it 30 years, like the Ilford
Pearl.  However, for inexpensive B&W photos for distribution without
spraying, it's hard to beat this cheap paper.  (I buy mine at Costco.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com