Digital BW, The Print

My 1280 driver (Windows)does not seem to allow the use of 2880 dpi 
except with glossy papers.  When using the Epson Matte Heavy setting, 
2880 dpi isn't even available.  That doesn't bother me when printing 
color or hextone.  But I would think using 2880 dpi would give 
smaller dots when printing "black only."

Is there a way to make the driver print at 2880 with matte paper?  
And is it worth it?  When printing "black only," can you get smaller 
dots at 2880 dpi than at 1440?  Or does the matte paper surface 
negate any advantage of the higher resolution?

I'm currently printing B&W with the Ultratone (1) inks, using Paul's 
curves for the 1280.  But sometimes I like the look of a B/O print.  
B/O also helps keep me sane when I can't get the hextone to look just 
right.  
:-)

Thanks,
--Peter

> From: Peter A. Klein [mailto:pklein@...]
>
> My 1280 driver (Windows)does not seem to allow the use of 2880 dpi
> except with glossy papers.  When using the Epson Matte Heavy setting,
> 2880 dpi isn't even available.  That doesn't bother me when printing
> color or hextone.  But I would think using 2880 dpi would give
> smaller dots when printing "black only."
>
> Is there a way to make the driver print at 2880 with matte paper?
> And is it worth it?  When printing "black only," can you get smaller
> dots at 2880 dpi than at 1440?  Or does the matte paper surface
> negate any advantage of the higher resolution?

You can lie to the driver about the kind of paper. You'll have to print a
step wedge to see if you get a reasonable gray scale, however. My guess is
that in BO mode, at most you'll need to tweak the ink limit control.

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Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Specify Photo Paper then use EEM anyway to get 2880 dpi. Then get a
good loupe to be able to see the small difference. You'll also
discover a new meaning to the term "long print times". 
Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter A. Klein"
<pklein@2...> wrote:

> My 1280 driver (Windows)does not seem to allow the use of 2880 dpi 
> except with glossy papers.  When using the Epson Matte Heavy setting, 
> 2880 dpi isn't even available.  That doesn't bother me when printing 
> color or hextone.  But I would think using 2880 dpi would give 
> smaller dots when printing "black only."
> 
> Is there a way to make the driver print at 2880 with matte paper?  
> And is it worth it?  When printing "black only," can you get smaller 
> dots at 2880 dpi than at 1440?  Or does the matte paper surface 
> negate any advantage of the higher resolution?
> 
> I'm currently printing B&W with the Ultratone (1) inks, using Paul's 
> curves for the 1280.  But sometimes I like the look of a B/O print.  
> B/O also helps keep me sane when I can't get the hextone to look just 
> right.  
> :-)
> 
> Thanks,
> --Peter

Thanks, Paul and Bob.

Judging from Bob's remark, it sounds like it may not be worth it.  I 
do remember using 2880 with the glossy paper samples that came with 
the printer, and not noticing much difference apart from it taking an 
eternity to print a humble color 4x6.  Anyway, I'll try it with a 
small print and see if the difference is worth the time.

The object of all this is to get the dots a little smaller.  At 1440 
dpi, I can just seem them, and some would find this objectionable.  
The dots actually improve some things, like a digital camera 
snowscape I printed this week.  But sometimes they make grainy Tri-X 
pictures look even grainier. It almost seems like the kind of grain 
aliasing you get when you scan grainy B&W at 2700 dpi.  

I'm hoping that smaller dots might get the grain/print dot ratio off 
the "sour spot," just as a 4000 dpi scanner did for 

--Peter


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Michaels" 
<bob@b...> wrote:
> Specify Photo Paper then use EEM anyway to get 2880 dpi. Then get a
> good loupe to be able to see the small difference. You'll also
> discover a new meaning to the term "long print times". 
> Bob Michaels
> 
Paul DeRocco wrote:
>You can lie to the driver about the kind of paper. You'll have to 
>print a
>step wedge to see if you get a reasonable gray scale, however. My 
>guess is
>that in BO mode, at most you'll need to tweak the ink limit control.



> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter A. 
Klein"
> <pklein@2...> wrote:
> > My 1280 driver (Windows)does not seem to allow the use of 2880 
dpi 
> > except with glossy papers.  When using the Epson Matte Heavy 
setting, 
> > 2880 dpi isn't even available.  That doesn't bother me when 
printing 
> > color or hextone.  But I would think using 2880 dpi would give 
> > smaller dots when printing "black only."
> > 
> > Is there a way to make the driver print at 2880 with matte 
paper?  
> > And is it worth it?  When printing "black only," can you get 
smaller 
> > dots at 2880 dpi than at 1440?  Or does the matte paper surface 
> > negate any advantage of the higher resolution?
> > 
> > I'm currently printing B&W with the Ultratone (1) inks, using 
Paul's 
> > curves for the 1280.  But sometimes I like the look of a B/O 
print.  
> > B/O also helps keep me sane when I can't get the hextone to look 
just 

> > right.  
> > :-)
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > --Peter

you'll sure see less difference on the matte than on glossy going to 2880 due to dot gain, 
which is why the option isn't available.

a new example of negligible so to speak

Peter,

I have been printing BO with  MIS Eboni and I can see a decided 
improvement when printing 2880.  It's not earthshaking but an 
improvement that I will spend the extra time to print.   Largely, 
these are images that I have captured at the White Sands 
National Monument  in color slides, converted to b&w via the 
channel mixer and printed BO.  I say this, because your subject 
matter may be the most important item when deciding whether 
the extra time is worth it.

As has been said, you can lie to the printer and choose another 
setting that will allow 2880. I have found no diff' in either available 
options and there seems to be no drawback.

Thanks to CJ, I am really hooked on BO.  :-)

           Lincoln 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter 
A. Klein" <pklein@2...> wrote:
> My 1280 driver (Windows)does not seem to allow the use of 
2880 dpi 
> except with glossy papers.  When using the Epson Matte Heavy 
setting, 
> 2880 dpi isn't even available.  That doesn't bother me when 
printing 
> color or hextone.  But I would think using 2880 dpi would give 
> smaller dots when printing "black only."
> 
> Is there a way to make the driver print at 2880 with matte 
paper?  
> And is it worth it?  When printing "black only," can you get 
smaller 
> dots at 2880 dpi than at 1440?  Or does the matte paper 
surface 
> negate any advantage of the higher resolution?
> 
> I'm currently printing B&W with the Ultratone (1) inks, using 
Paul's 
> curves for the 1280.  But sometimes I like the look of a B/O 
print.  
> B/O also helps keep me sane when I can't get the hextone to 
look just 

> right.  
> :-)
> 
> Thanks,
> --Peter

> 
> As has been said, you can lie to the printer and choose another
> setting that will allow 2880. I have found no diff' in either available
> options and there seems to be no drawback.

Could you explain how this is done please?

lara

Thursday, February 12, 2004, 11:04:47 PM, you wrote:

>> 
>> As has been said, you can lie to the printer and choose another
>> setting that will allow 2880. I have found no diff' in either available
>> options and there seems to be no drawback.

L> Could you explain how this is done please?

L> lara

Choose another paper setting that allows 2880 dpi.

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Best regards,
 Richard                            mailto:richard@...