Digital BW, The Print

Enter the next piezo exchange and you'll have 31 different prints, I'm
sure both will be represented.

jerry



wilfred71118@... wrote:

> 
> I have been reading for the longest, the opinions of Piezo vs. MIS.
> Can anyone tell me where in the country, one could go and veiw a
> print exhibition, that contained both these types of prints. I would
> like to judge for myself.
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Speaking of exchanges...when's the next one?  I missed the last one while I
was away.  I'm game for doing coated prints for everyone (ah...I can't
believe I just said that...but I did).

Robert

On 10/14/01 8:12 AM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:

> Enter the next piezo exchange and you'll have 31 different prints, I'm
> sure both will be represented.
> 
> jerry
> 
> 
> 
> wilfred71118@... wrote:
>> 
>> I have been reading for the longest, the opinions of Piezo vs. MIS.
>> Can anyone tell me where in the country, one could go and veiw a
>> print exhibition, that contained both these types of prints. I would
>> like to judge for myself.
>> 
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison 
<rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> Speaking of exchanges...when's the next one?  I missed the last one 
while I
> was away.

Looks like the current one will not be wrapped up until the end of 
October or later.

> I'm game for doing coated prints for everyone (ah...I can't
> believe I just said that...but I did).

Thanks, Robert! Now I'm off the hook! <<g>>

Martin

(snip)

> Looks like the current one will not be wrapped up until the end of
> October or later.
> 
>> I'm game for doing coated prints for everyone (ah...I can't
>> believe I just said that...but I did).
> 
Great, my D1 is headed out the door tomorrow and the D1x arrives next week
...I have several shoots scheduled for late October and early
November...fresh images coated up real good...count me in.

Robert

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Is anybody using Museo with the MIS VM ink set?  Just curious.

Martin, where did you get your Museo 355g...directly from Robert Rex?

This paper knocks my socks off with Piezo...both coated and uncoated.

Robert

on 10/14/01 11:28 PM, Robert Morrison wrote:

> Is anybody using Museo with the MIS VM ink set?  Just curious.
> 

I've messed with it. It works very well. It's not the deepest in the dmax
department (but you know that already ;-)), but good enough, and all it's
other traits are quite nice. Definitely a paper to have in the arsenal.

Did you have a specific question about it?

Todd

I'm meeting with Robert Rex this week and was just curious if anybody had
given it a try.  Personally I think the blacks rock with Piezo...it just
needs a profile.  After my experiences with Eclipse, I now know that you do
not know the potential of a paper with piezo until Cone has profiled it.
Did you tweak your curves to maximize the black with the MIS?

Robert

On 10/14/01 8:39 PM, "Todd Flashner" <tflash@...> wrote:

> on 10/14/01 11:28 PM, Robert Morrison wrote:
> 
>> Is anybody using Museo with the MIS VM ink set?  Just curious.
>> 
> 
> I've messed with it. It works very well. It's not the deepest in the dmax
> department (but you know that already ;-)), but good enough, and all it's
> other traits are quite nice. Definitely a paper to have in the arsenal.
> 
> Did you have a specific question about it?
> 
> Todd
> 
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison 
<rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> > Looks like the current one will not be wrapped up until the end of
> > October or later.
> > 
> >> I'm game for doing coated prints for everyone (ah...I can't
> >> believe I just said that...but I did).
> > 
> Great, my D1 is headed out the door tomorrow and the D1x arrives 
next week
> ...I have several shoots scheduled for late October and early
> November...fresh images coated up real good...count me in.
> 
Robert,

No volunteers for moderator yet. Hint, hint. <G>

Martin

Robert,

I never did try the 355gsm. I liked the Museo coated with Piezo but 
was not getting a deep black uncoated. Haven't tried it yet with the 
MIS VM.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison 
<rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> Is anybody using Museo with the MIS VM ink set?  Just curious.
> 
> Martin, where did you get your Museo 355g...directly from Robert 
Rex?
> 
> This paper knocks my socks off with Piezo...both coated and 
uncoated.
> 
> Robert

Robert Morrison wrote:

> Is anybody using Museo with the MIS VM ink set?  Just curious.
>
> Martin, where did you get your Museo 355g...directly from Robert Rex?
>
> This paper knocks my socks off with Piezo...both coated and uncoated.

When we visited with Robert last week he had just come from B&H photo...And had just set up a deal for them to
carry the Museo paper...Look for the Museo at B&H Photo soon, and no doubt, at a very good price.

I *really* hope this is not 'telling tales out of school'.

Harvey Ferdschneider
partner, SKID Photography, NYC





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Too busy coating...sorry.

Robert

On 10/14/01 9:07 PM, "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison
> <rmorrison@p...> wrote:
>>> Looks like the current one will not be wrapped up until the end of
>>> October or later.
>>> 
>>>> I'm game for doing coated prints for everyone (ah...I can't
>>>> believe I just said that...but I did).
>>> 
>> Great, my D1 is headed out the door tomorrow and the D1x arrives
> next week
>> ...I have several shoots scheduled for late October and early
>> November...fresh images coated up real good...count me in.
>> 
> Robert,
> 
> No volunteers for moderator yet. Hint, hint. <G>
> 
> Martin
> 
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My hunch is that its not commercial yet.  Robert Rex just sent me a few
sheets to try.  I'll ask when I see him.

Robert

On 10/14/01 9:11 PM, "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> wrote:

> Robert,
> 
> I never did try the 355gsm. I liked the Museo coated with Piezo but
> was not getting a deep black uncoated. Haven't tried it yet with the
> MIS VM.
> 
> Martin
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison
> <rmorrison@p...> wrote:
>> Is anybody using Museo with the MIS VM ink set?  Just curious.
>> 
>> Martin, where did you get your Museo 355g...directly from Robert
> Rex?
>> 
>> This paper knocks my socks off with Piezo...both coated and
> uncoated.
>> 
>> Robert
> 
> 
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Robert Morrison
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Los Angeles, CA 90066

That's fine news...the stuff is tough to get...Robert

On 10/14/01 9:12 PM, "SKID Photography" <skid@...> wrote:

> When we visited with Robert last week he had just come from B&H photo...And
> had just set up a deal for them to
> carry the Museo paper...Look for the Museo at B&H Photo soon, and no doubt, at
> a very good price.

----------------------
Robert Morrison
rmorrison@...

310-397-2704

4131 Bledsoe Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90066

> I'm meeting with Robert Rex this week and was just curious if anybody had
> given it a try.  Personally I think the blacks rock with Piezo...it just
> needs a profile.  After my experiences with Eclipse, I now know that you do
> not know the potential of a paper with piezo until Cone has profiled it.
> Did you tweak your curves to maximize the black with the MIS?
> 
> Robert

Not sure how to tweak my curves to optimize for the blacks. Glad you brought
it up, cause in the conversation about the Eclipse and it's "perceived" weak
blacks, I was trying it (Eclipse) through the Epson driver, and as I had
some samples at the time I switched over from Piezo inks to MIS VM, I got to
try it with both inks (using the Epson driver for both inks). I found it to
work a bit better with the MIS inks than Piezo, but not much.

Anyway, back to tweaking the curves. I print a black border around most of
my images, so I use that in my assessment of absolute black. IOW, my test
images always have a solid absolute black, so I'd not need to tweak the
IMAGE to get good black. Are you suggesting I tweak the Roark curves to get
a deeper black, or to lay down more ink? I don't know it that is possible,
or if it is I don't know how. That's one of the reasons I was asking about
Dot Density in another post, as that seems to allow for actually putting
more ink on the paper. I can tweak a curve to manipulate tonalities, but I
don't know how to make an image print maximum black any blacker.

If you have ideas on this I'm open to them.

The only thing I know to do is to run the sheet through a second time to
over print my blacks. This has worked well for me with the Epson papers and
I'd expect it to for the Museo too, though the really heavy stuff might make
for less exacting registration than the thinner weight (due to a more
difficult transport). I think (really think, as in haven't found a way to
compare) double printing the blacks would be more effective than just
putting more ink down, because it allows for dry time between that would
allow more ink to be held by the paper without spreading.

Todd

Yes, but you do it so fast. <<G>>

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison 
<rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> Too busy coating...sorry.
> 
> Robert
> 
> On 10/14/01 9:07 PM, "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison
> > <rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> >>> Looks like the current one will not be wrapped up until the end 
of
> >>> October or later.
> >>> 
> >>>> I'm game for doing coated prints for everyone (ah...I can't
> >>>> believe I just said that...but I did).
> >>> 
> >> Great, my D1 is headed out the door tomorrow and the D1x arrives
> > next week
> >> ...I have several shoots scheduled for late October and early
> >> November...fresh images coated up real good...count me in.
> >> 
> > Robert,
> > 
> > No volunteers for moderator yet. Hint, hint. <G>
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > 
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Museo in 365 gsm is currently commercially available in sheets 24x36 and
35x47, 25 sheets per carton.  Available through Digital Art Supplies,
Fineartstore.com, MIS, etc...
thanks
robert rex

At 09:16 PM 10/14/01 -0700, you wrote:
>   Robert Rex just sent me a few
>  I'll ask when I see him.
> 
> Robert
> 
>""<> wrote:
> 
>> Robert,
>> 
>> I never did try the 355gsm. I liked the Museo coated with Piezo but
>> was not getting a deep black uncoated. Haven't tried it yet with the
>> MIS VM.
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison
>><> wrote:
>>>  Just curious.
>>> 
>>> Martin, where did you get your Museo 355g...directly from Robert
>> Rex?
>>> 
>>> This paper knocks my socks off with Piezo...both coated and
>> uncoated.
>>> 
>>> Robert
>> 
>> 
>> 
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While all of these sources have the 250g paper, none of them have the 365
listed on their web sites...time to crack the whip!

Robert Morrison

On 10/14/01 9:24 PM, "Robert Rex" <chameleon@...> wrote:

> Museo in 365 gsm is currently commercially available in sheets 24x36 and
> 35x47, 25 sheets per carton.  Available through Digital Art Supplies,
> Fineartstore.com, MIS, etc...
> thanks
> robert rex
> 
> At 09:16 PM 10/14/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>   Robert Rex just sent me a few
>>  I'll ask when I see him.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> ""<> wrote:
>> 
>>> Robert,
>>> 
>>> I never did try the 355gsm. I liked the Museo coated with Piezo but
>>> was not getting a deep black uncoated. Haven't tried it yet with the
>>> MIS VM.
>>> 
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison
>>> <> wrote:
>>>>  Just curious.
>>>> 
>>>> Martin, where did you get your Museo 355g...directly from Robert
>>> Rex?
>>>> 
>>>> This paper knocks my socks off with Piezo...both coated and
>>> uncoated.
>>>> 
>>>> Robert
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
>> other
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It really needs a profile. I like the paper alot. The blacks aren't as
strong as hahnemuhle papers, but the midtones are great, and it is a lovely
smooth, white sheet.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 5:28 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Museo and MIS?


> Is anybody using Museo with the MIS VM ink set?  Just curious.
>
> Martin, where did you get your Museo 355g...directly from Robert Rex?
>
> This paper knocks my socks off with Piezo...both coated and uncoated.
>
> Robert
>
>
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