Digital BW, The Print

Hello All,

This is not Ansel and has nothing to do with BW printing, but I had to
share this - it is some of the finest photography I've ever seen.  

  http://maximishin.com/


Sorry for the OT but I think you won't shoot me after you have seen
it.


Best Regards to all the forum,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Clayton Jones"  wrote:
> This is not Ansel and has nothing to do with BW printing, but I had to
> share this - it is some of the finest photography I've ever seen.  
> 
>   http://maximishin.com/

Check out Paul Fusco's  B+W work:

http://tinyurl.com/35g4t

> Check out Paul Fusco's  B+W work:
> http://tinyurl.com/35g4t

Wow, powerful work.  Many thanks.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Hello,

Clayton,  I was speechless when I saw those photo's.  Thank you for 
recommending that site.  His color work is very powerful.  I plan to 
order his book.

Regards,
Steve Persky

I have never been able to appreciate the type of work exhibited at 
the site suggested. It must be an acquired taste or one that I 
simply do not have an educated palate for. Even in my taste of 
paintings, it runs towards the works of Ruebens,Renoir and 
Gainsborough. It seems that I must be lacking or deficient in some 
way as not to appreciate this kind of photography but I am not moved 
in the slightest by such work. Thank goodness there are others who 
are moved by this kind of imagery. 


Tim

I agree, the work on the site to me is not much more than snapshots 
from a third world country. Most here in the USA simply have never 
seen these kind of conditions for themselves and consider it "ART" 
when seen in this form. All who think that it is art should buy a 
ticket and visit there. Try India, or Angolia or the slums of South 
America. It makes you appreciate living as we do, it's still not Art 
though.

Sierra Gold--- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "raven4ns" 
<cryptic@a...> wrote:
>  I have never been able to appreciate the type of work exhibited at 
> the site suggested. It must be an acquired taste or one that I 
> simply do not have an educated palate for. Even in my taste of 
> paintings, it runs towards the works of Ruebens,Renoir and 
> Gainsborough. It seems that I must be lacking or deficient in some 
> way as not to appreciate this kind of photography but I am not 
moved 

> in the slightest by such work. Thank goodness there are others who 
> are moved by this kind of imagery. 
> 
> 
> Tim

> I agree, the work on the site to me is not much more than snapshots 
> from a third world country. Most here in the USA simply have never 
> seen these kind of conditions for themselves and consider it "ART" 
> when seen in this form.


Surely, you jest.  I am lucky, I admit. I live in a country where 
those types of images are not common.  However, when photography or 
art or whatever can elicit an emotional response, and attract a 
person's attention then the job of the creator of that image is 
accomplished.

If you insist on calling these photographs snapshot, then maybe you 
can agree they are some very good snapshots.  I also think that 
calling these photographs snapshots cheapens your remarks and your 
opinion greatly in my eyes, and in many other people's eyes on this 
board.

Regards,
Steve Persky

It seems like Mr. Maximishin's 'snapshots' get some
pretty reasonable recognition and publication. Maybe the
photo editors for these publications and the judges of these
photo contests are partial to 'snapshots' from 'third world
countries'?
-JimD

from:
 >http://maximishin.com/bio.php?lng=<
Publications:
The Times, Time, Newsweek, Parool, Liberation, Washington Post, The Wall 
Street Jornal, Stern, Business Week, Focus, Der Profile, Corriere della 
Sera, Izvestia, Ogonyok, Itogi and other.
Awards:
2001:

Russia Press Photo contest:
· First Place in "Culture" (single) category
· First Place in "Daily life" (project) category
· First Place in "Daily life" (single) category
"Golden pen" award from the St-Petersburg Union of Journalists
"Photographer of the year" award from"Ogonyok" magazine

2002:

Russia Press Photo contest:
· First Place in "the Nature, ecology and an environment" category
· Third Place in "People" category
· Third Place in "Humour" category
"Photographer of the year of St-Petersburg" award
"Best report of the year" award from the Russian Academy of Journalism

2003:

Russia Press Photo contest:
· First Place in "the Nature, ecology and an environment" (single) category
· Second Place in "People" category
· Second Place in "Culture" (project) category
· Second Place in "Culture" (single) category
· Third Place in "News" (project) category
· Special jury award

2004:

World Press Photo:
· First Place in "Arts and entertainment" (single) category

Russia Press Photo contest:
· First Place in "People" (single) category
· Second Place in "Daily life" (single) category
· First Place in "Culture" (single) category
· First Place in "Culture" (project) category


At 10:58 PM 4/17/2004, flyfishingusa2002 wrote:
>I agree, the work on the site to me is not much more than snapshots
>from a third world country. Most here in the USA simply have never
>seen these kind of conditions for themselves and consider it "ART"
>when seen in this form. All who think that it is art should buy a
>ticket and visit there. Try India, or Angolia or the slums of South
>America. It makes you appreciate living as we do, it's still not Art
>though.
>
>Sierra Gold--- In
>DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "raven4ns"
><cryptic@a...> wrote:
> >  I have never been able to appreciate the type of work exhibited at
> > the site suggested. It must be an acquired taste or one that I
> > simply do not have an educated palate for. Even in my taste of
> > paintings, it runs towards the works of Ruebens,Renoir and
> > Gainsborough. It seems that I must be lacking or deficient in some
> > way as not to appreciate this kind of photography but I am not
>moved
> > in the slightest by such work. Thank goodness there are others who
> > are moved by this kind of imagery.
> >
> >
> > Tim
>
>
>
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Hello Sierra,

>...the work on the site to me is not much more than snapshots...
>...All who think that it is art should...

First, I never said anything about whether it is "art" or not.  I said
it was excellent photography.  What "Art" is is a whole 'nother
subject which will probably be debated forever.  By "putting words in
my mouth" your remark is taking this thread somewhere it was not meant
to go.

Second, if these works are snapshots, then the works of H.C Bresson,
Elliot Erwitt and Sebastiao Salgado are also snapshots.  If you think
that, then I guess our definitions of "snapshot" are different.  

The man's work is exceptional and I merely wanted to bring it
to others' attention here so they could enjoy it.  There was no
intention to start a discussion and I'm really disappointed that this
has turned onto yet another on-line debate.  Please, _at least_ limit
remarks to what was actually said.

We all here love photography, and the occasional OT but related
subject enriches the forum experience.  But if every thread turns into
a dragged out sniping war that detracts from the forum's main purpose
then members will be afraid to talk about anything but clogs and
curves.  Please exercise some judgement on these kinds of threads.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Clayton,
I want you to know that I found the photographs
absorbing.  I appreciated the artist's efforts and
frankly I didn't impose my personal view of whether
each photograph met any particular "art" or "not art"
criteria.  I simply looked at them and enjoyed them.
Period. I appreciate your referral.  Reciprocally, I
wonder if you would be so kind as to look at a site I
recommended sometime ago but may have inadvertently
given the wrong address.  Here is another photographer
whose work I find very noteworthy.  You might enjoy
his work.  His site is in Spanish but it is easy to
navigate and view his work.  I'd enjoy hearing your
response.  <http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~irv>
Respectfully,
Joe D.

=====
Drop by my site @ <www.davajon.com>

Clayton,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you not start this thread? It does 
not have a lot to do with the forum and is definately off topic.
You and others consider it "Art" while I and maybe some others who 
are to nervous to post here because ot the "Flame", do not.
Well exposed, sharp and details in the shadows, yes, art, no. It is 
Photo Journalism. Do you consider the pics of our brave men shown on 
the front cover of the New York Times every day art? I think that 
this type of pic is disgusting and shows no thought for the relatives 
of the persons concerned. 
The site you refer to just shows the poor lives of others, it's 
journalism and not art. To even mention and compare this to Ansel is 
just bad form.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
<cj@c...> wrote:
> Hello Sierra,
> 
> >...the work on the site to me is not much more than snapshots...
> >...All who think that it is art should...
> 
> First, I never said anything about whether it is "art" or not.  I 
said
> it was excellent photography.  What "Art" is is a whole 'nother
> subject which will probably be debated forever.  By "putting words 
in
> my mouth" your remark is taking this thread somewhere it was not 
meant
> to go.
> 
> Second, if these works are snapshots, then the works of H.C Bresson,
> Elliot Erwitt and Sebastiao Salgado are also snapshots.  If you 
think
> that, then I guess our definitions of "snapshot" are different.  
> 
> The man's work is exceptional and I merely wanted to bring it
> to others' attention here so they could enjoy it.  There was no
> intention to start a discussion and I'm really disappointed that 
this
> has turned onto yet another on-line debate.  Please, _at least_ 
limit
> remarks to what was actually said.
> 
> We all here love photography, and the occasional OT but related
> subject enriches the forum experience.  But if every thread turns 
into
> a dragged out sniping war that detracts from the forum's main 
purpose

> then members will be afraid to talk about anything but clogs and
> curves.  Please exercise some judgement on these kinds of threads.
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

test only

--- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "flyfishingusa2002" 
<tflyfish@c...> wrote:
> Clayton,
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you not start this thread? It 
does 
> not have a lot to do with the forum and is definately off topic.
> You and others consider it "Art" while I and maybe some others who 
> are to nervous to post here because ot the "Flame", do not.
> Well exposed, sharp and details in the shadows, yes, art, no. It 
is 
> Photo Journalism. Do you consider the pics of our brave men shown 
on 
> the front cover of the New York Times every day art? I think that 
> this type of pic is disgusting and shows no thought for the 
relatives 
> of the persons concerned. 
> The site you refer to just shows the poor lives of others, it's 
> journalism and not art. To even mention and compare this to Ansel 
is 
> just bad form.
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton 
Jones" 
> <cj@c...> wrote:
> > Hello Sierra,
> > 
> > >...the work on the site to me is not much more than snapshots...
> > >...All who think that it is art should...
> > 
> > First, I never said anything about whether it is "art" or not.  
I 
> said
> > it was excellent photography.  What "Art" is is a whole 'nother
> > subject which will probably be debated forever.  By "putting 
words 
> in
> > my mouth" your remark is taking this thread somewhere it was not 
> meant
> > to go.
> > 
> > Second, if these works are snapshots, then the works of H.C 
Bresson,
> > Elliot Erwitt and Sebastiao Salgado are also snapshots.  If you 
> think
> > that, then I guess our definitions of "snapshot" are different.  
> > 
> > The man's work is exceptional and I merely wanted to bring it
> > to others' attention here so they could enjoy it.  There was no
> > intention to start a discussion and I'm really disappointed that 
> this
> > has turned onto yet another on-line debate.  Please, _at least_ 
> limit
> > remarks to what was actually said.
> > 
> > We all here love photography, and the occasional OT but related
> > subject enriches the forum experience.  But if every thread 
turns 
> into
> > a dragged out sniping war that detracts from the forum's main 
> purpose
> > then members will be afraid to talk about anything but clogs and
> > curves.  Please exercise some judgement on these kinds of 
threads.

> > 
> > Regards,
> > Clayton
> > 
> > 
> > Info on black and white digital printing at    
> > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm