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The New Hahnemuhle White Velvet(cross posted)

The New Hahnemuhle White Velvet(cross posted)

2004-05-19 by sdmey4@aol.com

I was fortunate enough to get some currently Rare Hahnemule Velvet 268gsm 
sample sheets from Jim Doyle at Shadesofpaper.com. He knew I was interested in 
this surface and print black and white only! One of the great things about 
shadesofpaper is that they only sell premium paper from  Hahnemuhle and Lyson, no 
Printers, no Epson paper,no inks. Just the good paper. So it appears to me that 
they pay attention to people picky about the papers they use. The samples 
where sent to me unsolicited.
So, first of all its surface is certainly in the Velvet category, very close 
to Sumerset Velvet perhaps just a bit smoother. The weight even though heavier 
seems about the same as Sumerset V.
I'm printing With Piezotone BW inks and Studio print RIP on a 9000. 
Contrast and density are what seem to be, equal to PhotoRag and William 
Turner papers. My Greytag EyeOne reports a Dmax of 1.74 using Portfolio Black from 
J. Cone Piezotone line of inks. For comparison I measured a Black patch using 
ultrachrome inks on Photorag,Matte Black ink measured 1.54. 
I don't intend to write a lengthy review, I just want to let those who like 
the Velvet paper surface Know that they  should be pleased with the New Hanna 
offering. It should Destroy the Epson Velvet rebranded version of Sumerset 
Enhanced as I Get a nice boost in Dmax with the Hanna paper Versus the Epson 
Velvet. Course this won't happen if your using ultrachrome inks. 
Somebody with a color Ultrachrome setup should load The Piezotone Portfolio 
black in there and see what they get.
Finally a VELVET paper with blacks equal to the Other fine Hanhnemuhle 
papers.
Hopefully we won't have to wait long, and I'm sure it will be a great color 
performer too.
Oh! The color of the paper is right in the William Turner range, maybe a tick 
brighter.
I only print my own work, so not a huge paper buyer, But Jim Doyle has gone 
overboard for me a couple times now. I kinda like the idea that this dealer 
isn't busy trying to make quota's on Epson 9600 and 4000's all day long.
Steve Meyers


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RE: [Digital BW] The New Hahnemuhle White Velvet(cross posted)

2004-06-04 by Jim Doyle

Hello All,

First Of all I have to say thanks to Steve..He is not only knowledgeable but
a superb printer and Artist.. I appreciate the Kind words...

Well On to the good stuff...

Just In The New Hahnemuhle White Velvet...Currently Only two sizes Available
35x46.75 & Hahnemule's New Size 24x36 The Rest cut sheets and rolls to
follow..They are not yet listed on my website so If anyone has interest
please call or email me off list....

The Great News Is The New Size 24x36... I am also under the impression that
the new size will be available in all papers soon.

Cheers To All
Jim Doyle

J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C.
114 Old Orchard Rd.
Cherry Hill, NJ 08003
856-424-8660
http://www.shadesofpaper.com
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: sdmey4@aol.com [mailto:sdmey4@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:42 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] The New Hahnemuhle White Velvet(cross posted)


  I was fortunate enough to get some currently Rare Hahnemule Velvet 268gsm
  sample sheets from Jim Doyle at Shadesofpaper.com. He knew I was
interested in
  this surface and print black and white only! One of the great things about
  shadesofpaper is that they only sell premium paper from  Hahnemuhle and
Lyson, no
  Printers, no Epson paper,no inks. Just the good paper. So it appears to me
that
  they pay attention to people picky about the papers they use. The samples
  where sent to me unsolicited.
  So, first of all its surface is certainly in the Velvet category, very
close
  to Sumerset Velvet perhaps just a bit smoother. The weight even though
heavier
  seems about the same as Sumerset V.
  I'm printing With Piezotone BW inks and Studio print RIP on a 9000.
  Contrast and density are what seem to be, equal to PhotoRag and William
  Turner papers. My Greytag EyeOne reports a Dmax of 1.74 using Portfolio
Black from
  J. Cone Piezotone line of inks. For comparison I measured a Black patch
using
  ultrachrome inks on Photorag,Matte Black ink measured 1.54.
  I don't intend to write a lengthy review, I just want to let those who
like
  the Velvet paper surface Know that they  should be pleased with the New
Hanna
  offering. It should Destroy the Epson Velvet rebranded version of Sumerset
  Enhanced as I Get a nice boost in Dmax with the Hanna paper Versus the
Epson
  Velvet. Course this won't happen if your using ultrachrome inks.
  Somebody with a color Ultrachrome setup should load The Piezotone
Portfolio
  black in there and see what they get.
  Finally a VELVET paper with blacks equal to the Other fine Hanhnemuhle
  papers.
  Hopefully we won't have to wait long, and I'm sure it will be a great
color
  performer too.
  Oh! The color of the paper is right in the William Turner range, maybe a
tick
  brighter.
  I only print my own work, so not a huge paper buyer, But Jim Doyle has
gone
  overboard for me a couple times now. I kinda like the idea that this
dealer
  isn't busy trying to make quota's on Epson 9600 and 4000's all day long.
  Steve Meyers


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Re: [Digital BW] The New Hahnemuhle White Velvet(cross posted)

2004-06-04 by chipcarterdc

Hi.  Any thoughts on flaking with this paper?  I used to love the 
Epson Velvet, but you had to baby it more than any other paper I've 
ever seen or there would be terrible flaking of the surface, most 
noticeably in black areas.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Doyle" 
<jdoyle1713@c...> wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> First Of all I have to say thanks to Steve..He is not only 
knowledgeable but
> a superb printer and Artist.. I appreciate the Kind words...
> 
> Well On to the good stuff...
> 
> Just In The New Hahnemuhle White Velvet...Currently Only two sizes 
Available
> 35x46.75 & Hahnemule's New Size 24x36 The Rest cut sheets and rolls 
to
> follow..They are not yet listed on my website so If anyone has 
interest
> please call or email me off list....
> 
> The Great News Is The New Size 24x36... I am also under the 
impression that
> the new size will be available in all papers soon.
> 
> Cheers To All
> Jim Doyle
> 
> J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C.
> 114 Old Orchard Rd.
> Cherry Hill, NJ 08003
> 856-424-8660
> http://www.shadesofpaper.com
> 
> 
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: sdmey4@a... [mailto:sdmey4@a...]
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:42 PM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [Digital BW] The New Hahnemuhle White Velvet(cross 
posted)
> 
> 
>   I was fortunate enough to get some currently Rare Hahnemule 
Velvet 268gsm
>   sample sheets from Jim Doyle at Shadesofpaper.com. He knew I was
> interested in
>   this surface and print black and white only! One of the great 
things about
>   shadesofpaper is that they only sell premium paper from  
Hahnemuhle and
> Lyson, no
>   Printers, no Epson paper,no inks. Just the good paper. So it 
appears to me
> that
>   they pay attention to people picky about the papers they use. The 
samples
>   where sent to me unsolicited.
>   So, first of all its surface is certainly in the Velvet category, 
very
> close
>   to Sumerset Velvet perhaps just a bit smoother. The weight even 
though
> heavier
>   seems about the same as Sumerset V.
>   I'm printing With Piezotone BW inks and Studio print RIP on a 
9000.
>   Contrast and density are what seem to be, equal to PhotoRag and 
William
>   Turner papers. My Greytag EyeOne reports a Dmax of 1.74 using 
Portfolio
> Black from
>   J. Cone Piezotone line of inks. For comparison I measured a Black 
patch
> using
>   ultrachrome inks on Photorag,Matte Black ink measured 1.54.
>   I don't intend to write a lengthy review, I just want to let 
those who
> like
>   the Velvet paper surface Know that they  should be pleased with 
the New
> Hanna
>   offering. It should Destroy the Epson Velvet rebranded version of 
Sumerset
>   Enhanced as I Get a nice boost in Dmax with the Hanna paper 
Versus the
> Epson
>   Velvet. Course this won't happen if your using ultrachrome inks.
>   Somebody with a color Ultrachrome setup should load The Piezotone
> Portfolio
>   black in there and see what they get.
>   Finally a VELVET paper with blacks equal to the Other fine 
Hanhnemuhle
>   papers.
>   Hopefully we won't have to wait long, and I'm sure it will be a 
great
> color
>   performer too.
>   Oh! The color of the paper is right in the William Turner range, 
maybe a
> tick
>   brighter.
>   I only print my own work, so not a huge paper buyer, But Jim 
Doyle has
> gone
>   overboard for me a couple times now. I kinda like the idea that 
this
> dealer
>   isn't busy trying to make quota's on Epson 9600 and 4000's all 
day long.
>   Steve Meyers
> 
> 
>   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
>   Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
resources as
> they are often being updated.
> 
>   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
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wish to
> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting 
this same
> page.
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>   Please follow these basic guidelines:
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messages to keep
> them short.
>   - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or 
flames.
> Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the
> membership without notice.
>   - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of 
digital B&W
> printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be 
removed from
> the membership.
>   - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules 
and
> guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group 
Owner and
> Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files 
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> GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF 
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> "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED 
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> TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED 
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> ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR 
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Re: [Digital BW] The New Hahnemuhle White Velvet(cross posted)

2004-06-04 by sdmey4@aol.com

In a message dated 6/4/2004 8:25:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
chipcarterdc@... writes:

> Hi.  Any thoughts on flaking with this paper?  I used to love the 
> Epson Velvet, but you had to baby it more than any other paper I've 
> ever seen or there would be terrible flaking of the surface, most 
> noticeably in black areas.
> 
Just a guess from a long time user of multiple hahnemule papers. I'm betting 
this paper will be a better performer in regards to flaking than the others. 
My initial thought was " a better choice for books" It prints almost identicle 
to william turner just smoother and a real Velvet surface. I would also bet 
its a better choice for roll users as its not as stiff as the thick Turner and P 
Rag. Now if your using UltraChrome inks I think the blacks with this ink are 
very prone to scuffing on any paper.
Steven Meyers



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Re: [Digital BW] The New Hahnemuhle White Velvet(cross posted)

2004-06-04 by chipcarterdc

"Now if your using UltraChrome inks I think the blacks with this ink 
are very prone to scuffing on any paper."

Yes, I am only using Ultrachrome inks.  I'm not sure, though, why you 
find ultracrhomes to be inherently more "scuffable" than other inks.  
I've always found the paper to be the variable.  E.g., when I print 
with Matte Black UC ink on Photo Rag, I get scuffing if I'm not 
careful; when I print with Matte Black UC ink on Enhanced Matte, I 
get no scuffing.

Re: [Digital BW] The New Hahnemuhle White Velvet(cross posted)

2004-06-04 by sdmey4@aol.com

In a message dated 6/4/2004 8:49:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
chipcarterdc@... writes:

> Yes, I am only using Ultrachrome inks.  I'm not sure, though, why you 
> find ultracrhomes to be inherently more "scuffable" than other inks.  
> I've always found the paper to be the variable.  E.g., when I print 
> with Matte Black UC ink on Photo Rag, I get scuffing if I'm not 
> careful; when I print with Matte Black UC ink on Enhanced Matte, I 
> get no scuffing.
> 
Just my limited experince with matte black on P rag. Probably the softer art 
papers are more fragile in this regard. I can only say that my heavily handled 
books printed on German Etching and William Turner do very well compared to 
extremely fragile Phot Rag prints done with Ultrachromes. The Cone Quadtone BW 
inks I use just do better period. My goal someday soon is to set up an 
Ultrachrome printer and use the Cone Portfolio black as a replacement to Epsons 
black! Better dmax and slightly less fragile.
Steven Meyers


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Re: [Digital BW] The New Hahnemuhle White Velvet(cross posted)

2004-06-04 by Tyler Boley

I just wanted to add my belated enthusiasm for this paper, I was also
graced with some samples. It's definitely a look I've been waiting
for, or as close as one could expect.
I will test the flacking/scuffing soon and report back.
Also, the new proofing paper works great. No more EEM!!! YEAH!!!
Tyler

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