To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-27 by Robert Ashford
Paul, what is the address of your website? www.PaulRoark.com does not work. You are full of so much info but I can't get at it. Please post you web address. Bob
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To Paul Roark - your website
RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-27 by Paul Roark
Bob, The website seems to be working now. It's a bit of a cranky one. That's what I get for being cheap and taking a GTE/Verizon freebie. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
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-----Original Message----- From: Robert Ashford [mailto:bob@...] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:35 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website Paul, what is the address of your website? www.PaulRoark.com does not work. You are full of so much info but I can't get at it. Please post you web address. Bob Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-27 by Richard Smallfield
At 03:56 AM Wednesday 7/28/04, you wrote: >The website seems to be working now. It's a bit of a cranky one. That's >what I get for being cheap and taking a GTE/Verizon freebie. Dearest Paul, patron saint of carbon pigment printers, I regret to inform you that still, your website is run by mere mortals and, much to my chagrin, I have not been able to get it working for the last year. I live in New Zealand. Thank you for all your work. You give me hope when every Epson printer I touch has a malignant presence which takes offence at me when the printer sees me coming. This results in much expenditure of OEM carts just to see if I can get a perfect nozzle check. I just used emptied two OEM carts in attempting to get perfect nozzle checks, before installing a CFS ... and, not wishing to waste NZ $100 on carts that will only be used for testing, I installed the CFS anyway ... and now two colours aren't working at all. (The printer of course worked perfectly after the last service.) But that's par for the course for me. So now I'm off to spend money I can't afford on more OEM carts:( But you, Paul, show that for some lucky people, the system can work and are a ray of hope for me that keeps me persevering, much to my friends' bewilderment - 'stick to the HP 7660!' they say - yes, it works, but not for A3 prints, and not for Photo Rag ... and the front-loading feeder has always been a dubious design in my opinion - A5 paper of 280gsm prints crooked. So thanks for offering that hope in the midst of my despair. Keep up the good work. I only hope that things become more reliable in the near future. Best wishes, Richard -- http://smallfield.vze.com http://photos.smallfield.vze.com "First, they came for the socialists and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me." --Martin Niemoller, a Lutheran pastor, was imprisoned by the Nazis for eight years because he spoke out against Hitler:
RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-27 by don.swanson
Richard, you may want to try <http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/photos.html> which is what www.PaulRoark.com becomes after translation.
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-----Original Message----- From: Richard Smallfield [mailto:r.smallfield@...] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:23 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website At 03:56 AM Wednesday 7/28/04, you wrote: >The website seems to be working now. It's a bit of a cranky one. That's >what I get for being cheap and taking a GTE/Verizon freebie. Dearest Paul, patron saint of carbon pigment printers, I regret to inform you that still, your website is run by mere mortals and, much to my chagrin, I have not been able to get it working for the last year. I live in New Zealand.
RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-27 by Richard Smallfield
At 10:49 AM Wednesday 7/28/04, you wrote: >Richard, you may want to try ><http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/photos.html> >which is what www.PaulRoark.com becomes after translation. Thanks, but that url also sees me coming and says sorry, it can't be accessed. Richard -- http://smallfield.vze.com http://photos.smallfield.vze.com "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." --John Morely
Re: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-28 by Peter Marquis-Kyle
Paul Roark wrote: > The website seems to be working now. It's a bit of a cranky one. > That's > what I get for being cheap and taking a GTE/Verizon freebie. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com Sorry Paul, it's still not accessible here in Australia. I have not been able to get to it for more than a year. Peter Marquis-Kyle www.marquis-kyle.com.au
RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-28 by Paul Roark
>...I have not been able to get it working for the last year. >I live in New Zealand. >...it's still not accessible here in Australia. I have not >been able to get to it for more than a year. Is there anyone in New Zealand or Australia that can get to my website? Paul www.PaulRoark.com
Re: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-28 by Jayanand Govindaraj
I have never been able to access it from India either... Jayanand Govindaraj Chennai, India
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----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Marquis-Kyle To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website Paul Roark wrote: > The website seems to be working now. It's a bit of a cranky one. > That's > what I get for being cheap and taking a GTE/Verizon freebie. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com Sorry Paul, it's still not accessible here in Australia. I have not been able to get to it for more than a year. Peter Marquis-Kyle www.marquis-kyle.com.au Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-28 by Henrik
Hi Paul, No problem here, Western Australia Thanks Henrik
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-----Original Message----- From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] Sent: Wednesday, 28 July 2004 9:59 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website >...I have not been able to get it working for the last year. >I live in New Zealand. >...it's still not accessible here in Australia. I have not >been able to get to it for more than a year. Is there anyone in New Zealand or Australia that can get to my website? Paul www.PaulRoark.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-28 by Tony Kelly
Yes Paul, I got to it yesterday on more than one occasion without a hitch, I was checking to see what updates you had for your curves. I actually visited quite a few pages .. no problem at all. By the way, thanks for all your generosity , your contribution to this field is outstanding. Tony Kelly ________________________ Digital Lucida 478-480 Rathdowne Street Carlton North Victoria 3054 Australia on 28/7/04 11:58 AM, Paul Roark at wrote:
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>> ...I have not been able to get it working for the last year. >> I live in New Zealand. > >> ...it's still not accessible here in Australia. I have not >> been able to get to it for more than a year. > > Is there anyone in New Zealand or Australia that can get to my website? > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com >
RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-28 by Roger Salmon
It's accessible from the UK.
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-----Original Message----- From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] Sent: 28 July 2004 02:59 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website >...I have not been able to get it working for the last year. >I live in New Zealand. >...it's still not accessible here in Australia. I have not >been able to get to it for more than a year. Is there anyone in New Zealand or Australia that can get to my website? Paul www.PaulRoark.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-28 by Marie Peters
I live in Australia (Australian Capital Territory) and have never been able to access your site. An expat American, I've never been able to access the (US) Federal Voter Assistance Program website from home either and was told by someone that there were problems with my ISP (iPrimus) and that website. I've been able to access FVAP from work so I'll try your website tomorrow from there. I'll see if I have more success and let you know. Cheers Marie Peters > on 28/7/04 11:58 AM, Paul Roark at wrote: > > >> ...I have not been able to get it working for the last year. > >> I live in New Zealand. > > > >> ...it's still not accessible here in Australia. I have not > >> been able to get to it for more than a year. > > > > Is there anyone in New Zealand or Australia that can get to my > website? > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-28 by George Hartzell
Paul Roark writes: > >...I have not been able to get it working for the last year. > >I live in New Zealand. > > >...it's still not accessible here in Australia. I have not > >been able to get to it for more than a year. > > Is there anyone in New Zealand or Australia that can get to my website? > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com Here are some diagnostic things that might be worth trying. First, try your web browser at http://www.paulroark.com [presumably this is what's failing?]. That seems to be a redirect [that's managed by yahoo?] and sends you to: http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/photos.html Does that work? If not, maybe it's a nameservice issue. Does this work: http://206.46.189.90/res0a2zt/photos.html [when I do this one, I get the text of the page, but not the Army Pass image]. If you're on a geeky enough machine (e.g. something unix?), you could see if you can reach the machine at all with: ping 206.46.189.90 which works for me (so we know the machine's not swallowing pings). If you're one of the people who's having trouble, try some of these and let us know how it goes. g.
RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-28 by Richard Smallfield
At 05:10 AM Thursday 7/29/04, you wrote: > http://206.46.189.90/res0a2zt/photos.html No joy in New Zealand. Richard -- http://smallfield.vze.com http://photos.smallfield.vze.com "The most absurd and reckless aspirations have Sometimes led to extraordinary results."
Re: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-29 by Peter Marquis-Kyle
George Hartzell wrote: > Here are some diagnostic things that might be worth trying. Thanks, George. I have tried your tests -- my results are interspersed: > First, try your web browser at > http://www.paulroark.com [presumably this is what's failing?]. "Cannot find server" > That seems to be a redirect [that's managed by yahoo?] and sends you > to: > http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/photos.html "Cannot find server" > Does that work? > > If not, maybe it's a nameservice issue. Does this work: > > http://206.46.189.90/res0a2zt/photos.html > > [when I do this one, I get the text of the page, but not the Army > Pass > image]. "Cannot find server" > If you're on a geeky enough machine (e.g. something unix?), you could > see if you can reach the machine at all with: > > ping 206.46.189.90 "Failed" Here is a trace, which seems to show the packets taking a wrong turn (step 18): 07/29/04 07:50:48 Fast traceroute 206.46.189.90 Trace 206.46.189.90 ... 1 10.50.64.1 10ms 10ms 10ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS) 2 211.28.132.1 10ms 10ms 10ms TTL: 0 (rdl4-ge7.gw.optusnet.com.au ok) 3 211.29.129.141 20ms 20ms 20ms TTL: 0 (mas1-pos4-7.gw.optusnet.com.au ok) 4 211.29.129.17 20ms 20ms 20ms TTL: 0 (mas4-ge4-2.gw.optusnet.com.au ok) 5 211.29.129.2 40ms 30ms 40ms TTL: 0 (meb1-pos9.gw.optusnet.com.au ok) 6 198.142.0.2 40ms 40ms 40ms TTL: 0 (meb2-ge4-1.gw.optusnet.com.au ok) 7 61.88.143.37 30ms 40ms 40ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS) 8 202.139.190.33 40ms 40ms 40ms TTL: 0 (Gi3-0.ig5.optus.net.au ok) 9 203.208.148.57 200ms 191ms 190ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS) 10 203.208.168.133 190ms 190ms 190ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS) 11 203.208.168.114 190ms 200ms 190ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS) 12 65.57.244.1 200ms 190ms 190ms TTL: 0 (ge-2-1.hsa3.SanJose1.Level3.net ok) 13 4.68.114.153 191ms 190ms 200ms TTL: 0 (so-2-1-0.bbr1.SanJose1.Level3.net ok) 14 64.159.1.109 220ms 230ms 221ms TTL: 0 (ge-0-1-0.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net ok) 15 4.68.112.166 220ms 221ms 221ms TTL: 0 (so-8-0.core1.Dallas1.Level3.net ok) 16 4.24.242.94 230ms 221ms 230ms TTL: 0 (p1-0.verizonol4.bbnplanet.net ok) 17 206.46.128.78 231ms 220ms 220ms TTL: 0 (gigchannel9-0--12-0.core1.dfw-tx.vzlink.com ok) 18 No Response * * * 19 No Response * * * 20 No Response * * * 21 No Response * * * 22 No Response * * * 23 No Response * * * 24 No Response * * * 25 No Response * * * 26 No Response * * * 27 No Response * * * 28 No Response * * * 29 No Response * * * Can you diagnose what might be wrong? If you understand this stuff (which I do not), I am happy to do more tests and discuss them with you directly.... Peter Marquis-Kyle Brisbane, Australia
Re: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-29 by Jayanand Govindaraj
Cant even ping from India - tried it out on 3 ISPs. Cheers Jayanand Govindaraj
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From: George Hartzell
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 10:40 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
Paul Roark writes:
> >...I have not been able to get it working for the last year.
> >I live in New Zealand.
>
> >...it's still not accessible here in Australia. I have not
> >been able to get to it for more than a year.
>
> Is there anyone in New Zealand or Australia that can get to my website?
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
Here are some diagnostic things that might be worth trying.
First, try your web browser at
http://www.paulroark.com [presumably this is what's failing?].
That seems to be a redirect [that's managed by yahoo?] and sends you
to:
http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/photos.html
Does that work?
If not, maybe it's a nameservice issue. Does this work:
http://206.46.189.90/res0a2zt/photos.html
[when I do this one, I get the text of the page, but not the Army Pass
image].
If you're on a geeky enough machine (e.g. something unix?), you could
see if you can reach the machine at all with:
ping 206.46.189.90
which works for me (so we know the machine's not swallowing pings).
If you're one of the people who's having trouble, try some of these
and let us know how it goes.
g.
Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page.
Please follow these basic guidelines:
- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short.
- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice.
- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership.
- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
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2004-07-29 by Bill Schwab
> Is there anyone in New Zealand or Australia that can get to my website? Paul, That offer of a site on my server is still open. Full email, FrontPage extentions,cgi. Using MS FrontPage it is a breeze. Just say the word. Your domain can be pointed there within 24 hours. Hope all's well, Bill www.billschwab.com
Re: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-29 by Peter Marquis-Kyle
Bill Schwab wrote: > Paul, > That offer of a site on my server is still open. Full email, > FrontPage extentions,cgi. Using MS FrontPage it is a breeze. Just > say the word. Your domain can be pointed there within 24 hours. > Hope all's well, > Bill > www.billschwab.com To Bill: Bravo! To Paul: Do it! I just went to www.billschwab.com and, as usual, it loaded clean and fast. Peter Marquis-Kyle Brisbane, Australia
RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-29 by Paul Roark
Thanks to all for the information and offers. I'll be exploring a few alternatives, but since I'm going to be gone for several weeks, it might not get done for a while. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
Re: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-31 by George Hartzell
Peter Marquis-Kyle writes: > George Hartzell wrote: > > Here are some diagnostic things that might be worth trying. > > Thanks, George. I have tried your tests -- my results are interspersed: > [...] > > Here is a trace, which seems to show the packets taking a wrong turn (step 18): > > > 07/29/04 07:50:48 Fast traceroute 206.46.189.90 > Trace 206.46.189.90 ... > 1 10.50.64.1 10ms 10ms 10ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS) > 2 211.28.132.1 10ms 10ms 10ms TTL: 0 (rdl4-ge7.gw.optusnet.com.au > ok) > 3 211.29.129.141 20ms 20ms 20ms TTL: 0 (mas1-pos4-7.gw.optusnet.com.au > ok) > 4 211.29.129.17 20ms 20ms 20ms TTL: 0 (mas4-ge4-2.gw.optusnet.com.au > ok) > 5 211.29.129.2 40ms 30ms 40ms TTL: 0 (meb1-pos9.gw.optusnet.com.au > ok) > 6 198.142.0.2 40ms 40ms 40ms TTL: 0 (meb2-ge4-1.gw.optusnet.com.au > ok) > 7 61.88.143.37 30ms 40ms 40ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS) > 8 202.139.190.33 40ms 40ms 40ms TTL: 0 (Gi3-0.ig5.optus.net.au ok) > 9 203.208.148.57 200ms 191ms 190ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS) > 10 203.208.168.133 190ms 190ms 190ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS) > 11 203.208.168.114 190ms 200ms 190ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS) > 12 65.57.244.1 200ms 190ms 190ms TTL: 0 > (ge-2-1.hsa3.SanJose1.Level3.net ok) > 13 4.68.114.153 191ms 190ms 200ms TTL: 0 > (so-2-1-0.bbr1.SanJose1.Level3.net ok) > 14 64.159.1.109 220ms 230ms 221ms TTL: 0 > (ge-0-1-0.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net ok) > 15 4.68.112.166 220ms 221ms 221ms TTL: 0 > (so-8-0.core1.Dallas1.Level3.net ok) > 16 4.24.242.94 230ms 221ms 230ms TTL: 0 (p1-0.verizonol4.bbnplanet.net > ok) > 17 206.46.128.78 231ms 220ms 220ms TTL: 0 > (gigchannel9-0--12-0.core1.dfw-tx.vzlink.com ok) > 18 No Response * * * > 19 No Response * * * > 20 No Response * * * > [...] I spoke to some of my Internet/ISP management friends about this, and the most likely explanation seems to be that the Australian ISPs (or someone between here and there) are dropping traffic from the Verizon/GTE network where Paul has his website. The traceroute packet above is probably making it to Paul's server, but the return packet is being dropped so you never learn that you actually got there. Apparently many, many, many verizon's home-based users end up with viruses, etc... on their machines and end up wreaking havoc on the rest of the net. This leads to networks black-holing the entire address space in self defense.... If this is indeed the case, there's not much that Paul can do except move the server (or the site) to another network. g.
Re: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-31 by Peter Marquis-Kyle
George Hartzell wrote: > I spoke to some of my Internet/ISP management friends about this, and > the most likely explanation seems to be that the Australian ISPs (or > someone between here and there) are dropping traffic from the > Verizon/GTE network where Paul has his website. > > The traceroute packet above is probably making it to Paul's server, > but the return packet is being dropped so you never learn that you > actually got there. > > Apparently many, many, many verizon's home-based users end up with > viruses, etc... on their machines and end up wreaking havoc on the > rest of the net. This leads to networks black-holing the entire > address space in self defense.... > > If this is indeed the case, there's not much that Paul can do except > move the server (or the site) to another network. Thanks George. I am pleased to have that explanation. Peter Marquis-Kyle
RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-31 by Paul Roark
George, Thanks for the information. You wrote in part: >Apparently many, many, many verizon's home-based users end up with >viruses, etc... on their machines and end up wreaking havoc on the >rest of the net. This leads to networks black-holing the entire >address space in self defense.... I can certainly attest to the fact that my Norton Anti-virus program picks up viruses daily. I assumed this was normal for everyone these days. (In my view are solutions to these problems and the industry is messing up big time in not dealing with them.) It sounds, however, like the files on the servers themselves would be the source of concern that would cause systems to block access to them. My e-mail is, for example, not blocked by any other systems are far as I know. So, how would infected home machines relate to blocking the internet site access? Paul www.PaulRoark.com ____________________________
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-----Original Message----- From: George Hartzell [mailto:hartzell@...] Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 7:59 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website Peter Marquis-Kyle writes: > George Hartzell wrote: > > Here are some diagnostic things that might be worth trying. > > Thanks, George. I have tried your tests -- my results are interspersed: > [...] > > Here is a trace, which seems to show the packets taking a wrong turn (step 18): > > > 07/29/04 07:50:48 Fast traceroute 206.46.189.90 > Trace 206.46.189.90 ... > 1 10.50.64.1 10ms 10ms 10ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS) > 2 211.28.132.1 10ms 10ms 10ms TTL: 0 (rdl4-ge7.gw.optusnet.com.au > ok) > 3 211.29.129.141 20ms 20ms 20ms TTL: 0 (mas1-pos4-7.gw.optusnet.com.au > ok) > 4 211.29.129.17 20ms 20ms 20ms TTL: 0 (mas4-ge4-2.gw.optusnet.com.au > ok) > 5 211.29.129.2 40ms 30ms 40ms TTL: 0 (meb1-pos9.gw.optusnet.com.au > ok) > 6 198.142.0.2 40ms 40ms 40ms TTL: 0 (meb2-ge4-1.gw.optusnet.com.au > ok) > 7 61.88.143.37 30ms 40ms 40ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS) > 8 202.139.190.33 40ms 40ms 40ms TTL: 0 (Gi3-0.ig5.optus.net.au ok) > 9 203.208.148.57 200ms 191ms 190ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS) > 10 203.208.168.133 190ms 190ms 190ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS) > 11 203.208.168.114 190ms 200ms 190ms TTL: 0 (No rDNS) > 12 65.57.244.1 200ms 190ms 190ms TTL: 0 > (ge-2-1.hsa3.SanJose1.Level3.net ok) > 13 4.68.114.153 191ms 190ms 200ms TTL: 0 > (so-2-1-0.bbr1.SanJose1.Level3.net ok) > 14 64.159.1.109 220ms 230ms 221ms TTL: 0 > (ge-0-1-0.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net ok) > 15 4.68.112.166 220ms 221ms 221ms TTL: 0 > (so-8-0.core1.Dallas1.Level3.net ok) > 16 4.24.242.94 230ms 221ms 230ms TTL: 0 (p1-0.verizonol4.bbnplanet.net > ok) > 17 206.46.128.78 231ms 220ms 220ms TTL: 0 > (gigchannel9-0--12-0.core1.dfw-tx.vzlink.com ok) > 18 No Response * * * > 19 No Response * * * > 20 No Response * * * > [...] I spoke to some of my Internet/ISP management friends about this, and the most likely explanation seems to be that the Australian ISPs (or someone between here and there) are dropping traffic from the Verizon/GTE network where Paul has his website. The traceroute packet above is probably making it to Paul's server, but the return packet is being dropped so you never learn that you actually got there. Apparently many, many, many verizon's home-based users end up with viruses, etc... on their machines and end up wreaking havoc on the rest of the net. This leads to networks black-holing the entire address space in self defense.... If this is indeed the case, there's not much that Paul can do except move the server (or the site) to another network. g. Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-07-31 by George Hartzell
Peter Marquis-Kyle writes: > George Hartzell wrote: > > I spoke to some of my Internet/ISP management friends about this, and > > the most likely explanation seems to be that the Australian ISPs (or > > someone between here and there) are dropping traffic from the > > Verizon/GTE network where Paul has his website. > > [...] > > Thanks George. I am pleased to have that explanation. Keep in mind that this is total conjecture on my part (before I start getting letters from some company's lawyers...), but it fits the symptoms pretty well.... g.
RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark - your website
2004-08-01 by George Hartzell
Paul Roark writes: > George, > > Thanks for the information. > > You wrote in part: > > >Apparently many, many, many verizon's home-based users end up with > >viruses, etc... on their machines and end up wreaking havoc on the > >rest of the net. This leads to networks black-holing the entire > >address space in self defense.... > > I can certainly attest to the fact that my Norton Anti-virus program picks > up viruses daily. I assumed this was normal for everyone these days. (In > my view are solutions to these problems and the industry is messing up big > time in not dealing with them.) > > It sounds, however, like the files on the servers themselves would be the > source of concern that would cause systems to block access to them. My > e-mail is, for example, not blocked by any other systems are far as I know. > > So, how would infected home machines relate to blocking the internet site > access? [Again, this is supposition until someone at one of the ISP's proves it] Some networks take an aggressive/vigilante approach to trying to keep their users safe. When they identify networks that are e.g. sources of spam, or e.g. sources of scans by virus infected computers, or.... they block access to/from those networks. While it might be more fair to just block access to the misbehaving machines, the Internet's routing tools don't give them that fine of a scalpel, they can only make decisions in fairly course routable hunks. Sometimes only email traffic gets blocked, other times entire network blocks are "black holed". I know that many sites will not accept email from any machine within Concentric's (my DSL provider) networks, which doesn't bother me because I relay all my mail through a well known and well-behaved network. I haven't had anyone complain about having trouble getting to my web stuff (e.g. http://www.alerce.com, although it's not always on the air...). Yes, this is paternalistic, some users appreciate being kept safe, others chafe being denied access to usable sites. One of the most frustrating aspects is that there's rarely any clean way to figure out why you can't get from here to there, you just "can't" (as we're observing). If it turns out that home1.gte.net is actually the ip address of a big server somewhere in a big ISP's data center then the particular reason for it being black-holed looses some luster, although the explanation still fits the symptoms. g.