Digital BW, The Print

Before I do it, can anyone comment on success from Tri-X BW or llford XP2 on 
the Polaroid SS4000?  If so, which software did the job best and if I'm 
outputting to a negative, should I scan as a positive?

Thanks,

Andy Darlow

Andy,

The SS4000 I had resolved the grain of Tmax 400 negatives so I would 
think that it would work well for Tri-X. No experience scanning XP2 
but it did well with color negatives.

You might like Silverfast, which comes bundled with the SS4000.

Common thought is to scan the negatives in raw mode as a transparency 
at the scanner's native optical resolution (4000dpi in this case) and 
then manipulate the image in Photoshop. Inversions from positive to 
negative will not degrade the image. If your end result is to be a 
negative you will still want to work with the image as a positive to 
assess the results of your manipulations and then invert at the end 
of the workflow.

Martin Wesley


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., shashinka@a... wrote:
> Before I do it, can anyone comment on success from Tri-X BW or 
llford XP2 on 
> the Polaroid SS4000?  If so, which software did the job best and if 
I'm 

> outputting to a negative, should I scan as a positive?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Andy Darlow

Martin,
Iuse an ss4000 /trix and I've tried Vuescan and silverfast. Silverfast has a
lot of operational advantages, especially the histogram in th epreview. BUT
the outputon black and white negs in raw mode stinks. Posterisation, no
shadow detail etc . Vuescan (in raw mode) gives much smoother results, but
is a pain in the rear if you want to get as full a histo as possible at the
scanner stage. I use Vuescan .

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Recommendation for scanning BW negs


> Andy,
>
> The SS4000 I had resolved the grain of Tmax 400 negatives so I would
> think that it would work well for Tri-X. No experience scanning XP2
> but it did well with color negatives.
>
> You might like Silverfast, which comes bundled with the SS4000.
>
> Common thought is to scan the negatives in raw mode as a transparency
> at the scanner's native optical resolution (4000dpi in this case) and
> then manipulate the image in Photoshop. Inversions from positive to
> negative will not degrade the image. If your end result is to be a
> negative you will still want to work with the image as a positive to
> assess the results of your manipulations and then invert at the end
> of the workflow.
>
> Martin Wesley
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., shashinka@a... wrote:
> > Before I do it, can anyone comment on success from Tri-X BW or
> llford XP2 on
> > the Polaroid SS4000?  If so, which software did the job best and if
> I'm
> > outputting to a negative, should I scan as a positive?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Andy Darlow
>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames."
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
resources on the homepage.

>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Hi Julian:

Thanks for the info.  Would you care to share your vuescan settings? If it is 
very time consuming then please don't bother.

Thanks,

Andy Darlow

PS- If Mr. Hamrick or anyone else with good Vuescan skills is out there, 
please consider a site full of screen captures for novices.

DEVICE TAB. 'Image' mode, 16bit greyscale, preview res on Auto, Scan res as
high as the scanner goes (1600 on my mf scanner and 4000dpi on the 35mm
scanner, Auto scan none, Auto focus Scan only, number of passes 1
CROP. manual
FILTER. None
Colour: White Balance, auto black point usually set at 0 or 0.25
Auto White point
White point anywhere between .5 and 1 (don't forget you are getting a
'negative' so in the print black is white and white is black ;-)
Colour Space Adobe RGB
Gamma 2.2 as I'm on a PC
Files: Output tiff file ON, Tiff type 16bit grey, tiff compression off, all
the rest off aprt from 'output to window'
Prefs; External viewer on, viewer default, get dpi from scan dpi (I use
Genuine Fractals and use that for sizing),
Release memory on, allt he rest as it loads.

Hope this helps!

Julian

----- Original Message -----
From: <shashinka@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Recommendation for scanning BW negs


> Hi Julian:
>
> Thanks for the info.  Would you care to share your vuescan settings? If it
is
> very time consuming then please don't bother.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy Darlow
>
> PS- If Mr. Hamrick or anyone else with good Vuescan skills is out there,
> please consider a site full of screen captures for novices.
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames."
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
resources on the homepage.

>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Wayne Fulton's site has an article on using Vuescan that you may find helpful

http://www.scantips.com/vuescan.html

Maris

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <shashinka@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Recommendation for scanning BW negs


| Hi Julian:
| 
| Thanks for the info.  Would you care to share your vuescan settings? If it is 
| very time consuming then please don't bother.
| 
| Thanks,
| 
| Andy Darlow
| 
| PS- If Mr. Hamrick or anyone else with good Vuescan skills is out there, 
| please consider a site full of screen captures for novices.
| 
| 
| Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
| 
| http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
| 
| Please follow these basic guidelines:
| - Include your full name with your message.
| - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
| - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short.
| - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
| - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames."
| - Complete your Yahoo profile.
| - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. 
| 
| 
|  
| 
| Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
| 
|

What are the purported advantages to scanning in image rather than BW 
negative? 

chris hargens


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:


> Common thought is to scan the negatives in raw mode as a 
transparency 
> at the scanner's native optical resolution (4000dpi in this case) 
and 
> then manipulate the image in Photoshop. Inversions from positive to 
> negative will not degrade the image. If your end result is to be a 
> negative you will still want to work with the image as a positive 
to 
> assess the results of your manipulations and then invert at the end 
> of the workflow.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., shashinka@a... wrote:
> > Before I do it, can anyone comment on success from Tri-X BW or 
> llford XP2 on 
> > the Polaroid SS4000?  If so, which software did the job best and 
if 

> I'm 
> > outputting to a negative, should I scan as a positive?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Andy Darlow