Digital BW, The Print

I've been looking for some info on this without success, but I'll bet
someone on the list knows.  My Sony E500 21" CRT monitor is down to about
one week or less when it needs recalibration with the SpyderPro software and
puck (I can see it shift toward green in under a week).  The monitor is
about 4-5 years old now.  I was wondering what intervals are common for
re-calibration and whether this might be a sign of impending
replacement...and if so what would be a good replacement.  If replacement is
in the cards I like the size and sharpness of LCD screens, but I'm not sure
of my ground for Photoshop use (viewing a little off-angle, etc.). Any info
appreciated!!

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com

> From: Ken Carney [mailto:kcarney1@...]
>
> I've been looking for some info on this without success, but I'll bet
> someone on the list knows.  My Sony E500 21" CRT monitor is down to about
> one week or less when it needs recalibration with the SpyderPro
> software and
> puck (I can see it shift toward green in under a week).  The monitor is
> about 4-5 years old now.  I was wondering what intervals are common for
> re-calibration and whether this might be a sign of impending
> replacement...and if so what would be a good replacement.  If
> replacement is
> in the cards I like the size and sharpness of LCD screens, but
> I'm not sure
> of my ground for Photoshop use (viewing a little off-angle,
> etc.). Any info
> appreciated!!

Sounds like your monitor's going down the tubes. There are people who
recalibrate every week, but not because they can see a color shift with
their eyes. I calibrate my 6 year old Nokia CRT every few months, and I can
never see any difference between before and after.

As to a replacement, you can probably find some discussion of this in the
list archives. (I know this is often discussed in all the digital
photography lists I'm on.) A few points in favor of CRTs: first, the cheaper
LCDs don't calibrate accurately. Second: you can get more pixels on a CRT.
Third: CRTs generally have somewhat wider gamuts. But if you buy a good one,
you're satisfied with 1600x1200 (or 1920x1200 WUXGA), and you don't care
about super-saturated colors, an LCD has some obvious advantages.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Your monitor is old, toss it out. Do not get an LCD monitor, they are 
still not as accurate as a CRT and you can get more square footage for 
your $. I have a LaCie 22 and very happy with it.
Mark

On Sep 2, 2004, at 9:28 PM, Ken Carney wrote:

> I've been looking for some info on this without success, but I'll bet
>  someone on the list knows.� My Sony E500 21" CRT monitor is down to 
> about
>  one week or less when it needs recalibration with the SpyderPro 
> software and
>  puck (I can see it shift toward green in under a week).� The monitor 
> is
>  about 4-5 years old now.� I was wondering what intervals are common 
> for
>  re-calibration and whether this might be a sign of impending
>  replacement...and if so what would be a good replacement.� If 
> replacement is
>  in the cards I like the size and sharpness of LCD screens, but I'm 
> not sure
>  of my ground for Photoshop use (viewing a little off-angle, etc.). 
> Any info
>  appreciated!!
>
>  Regards,
>
>  � --Ken Carney
>  ��� www.kencarney.com
>
>
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I recently went thought the crt/lcd litany myself on another list. Bottom
line ... I went CRT. I have a dual monitor setup w/ 19" Lacies. I bought
them as factory refurbished from their website. When I got them, they
appeared to be new. I am very pleased with  this setup.
Joe

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Paul D. DeRocco [mailto:pderocco@...]
  Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:32 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Sort of OT monitor question


  > From: Ken Carney [mailto:kcarney1@...]
  >
  > I've been looking for some info on this without success, but I'll bet
  > someone on the list knows.  My Sony E500 21" CRT monitor is down to
about
  > one week or less when it needs recalibration with the SpyderPro
  > software and
  > puck (I can see it shift toward green in under a week).  The monitor is
  > about 4-5 years old now.  I was wondering what intervals are common for
  > re-calibration and whether this might be a sign of impending
  > replacement...and if so what would be a good replacement.  If
  > replacement is
  > in the cards I like the size and sharpness of LCD screens, but
  > I'm not sure
  > of my ground for Photoshop use (viewing a little off-angle,
  > etc.). Any info
  > appreciated!!






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The refurbished units usually mean they were shipped as overstock to a 
dealer and then came back, so they can not sell them as new. Just as 
good in my opinion, just a much shorter warranty.
Mark

On Sep 3, 2004, at 7:09 AM, Joe Dempsey wrote:

> I recently went thought the crt/lcd litany myself on another list. 
> Bottom
>  line ... I went CRT. I have a dual monitor setup w/ 19" Lacies. I 
> bought
>  them as factory refurbished from their website. When I got them, they
>  appeared to be new. I am very pleased with� this setup.
>  Joe
>  � -----Original Message-----
>  � From: Paul D. DeRocco [mailto:pderocco@...]
>  � Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:32 AM
>  � To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  � Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Sort of OT monitor question
>
>
>  � > From: Ken Carney [mailto:kcarney1@...]
>  � >
>  � > I've been looking for some info on this without success, but I'll 
> bet
>  � > someone on the list knows.� My Sony E500 21" CRT monitor is down 
> to
>  about
>  � > one week or less when it needs recalibration with the SpyderPro
>  � > software and
>  � > puck (I can see it shift toward green in under a week).� The 
> monitor is
>  � > about 4-5 years old now.� I was wondering what intervals are 
> common for
>  � > re-calibration and whether this might be a sign of impending
>  � > replacement...and if so what would be a good replacement.� If
>  � > replacement is
>  � > in the cards I like the size and sharpness of LCD screens, but
>  � > I'm not sure
>  � > of my ground for Photoshop use (viewing a little off-angle,
>  � > etc.). Any info
>  � > appreciated!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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And you save some big bucks ... and the fact is, over the years, I've never
had a warranty claim on a monitor ... nor do I know anyone who has.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Savoia [mailto:mark@...]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:23 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Sort of OT monitor question


The refurbished units usually mean they were shipped as overstock to a
dealer and then came back, so they can not sell them as new. Just as
good in my opinion, just a much shorter warranty.
Mark

On Sep 3, 2004, at 7:09 AM, Joe Dempsey wrote:

> I recently went thought the crt/lcd litany myself on another list.
> Bottom
>  line ... I went CRT. I have a dual monitor setup w/ 19" Lacies. I
> bought
>  them as factory refurbished from their website. When I got them, they
>  appeared to be new. I am very pleased with\ufffd this setup.
>  Joe
>  \ufffd -----Original Message-----
>  \ufffd From: Paul D. DeRocco [mailto:pderocco@...]
>  \ufffd Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:32 AM
>  \ufffd To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  \ufffd Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Sort of OT monitor question
>
>
>  \ufffd > From: Ken Carney [mailto:kcarney1@...]
>  \ufffd >
>  \ufffd > I've been looking for some info on this without success, but I'll
> bet
>  \ufffd > someone on the list knows.\ufffd My Sony E500 21" CRT monitor is down
> to
>  about
>  \ufffd > one week or less when it needs recalibration with the SpyderPro
>  \ufffd > software and
>  \ufffd > puck (I can see it shift toward green in under a week).\ufffd The
> monitor is
>  \ufffd > about 4-5 years old now.\ufffd I was wondering what intervals are
> common for
>  \ufffd > re-calibration and whether this might be a sign of impending
>  \ufffd > replacement...and if so what would be a good replacement.\ufffd If
>  \ufffd > replacement is
>  \ufffd > in the cards I like the size and sharpness of LCD screens, but
>  \ufffd > I'm not sure
>  \ufffd > of my ground for Photoshop use (viewing a little off-angle,
>  \ufffd > etc.). Any info
>  \ufffd > appreciated!!
>
>
>
>
>