Digital BW, The Print

I think if you bang those rocks together, you'll get it. 
Steve M. 
In a message dated 9/27/2004 9:16:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
editor@... writes:
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> Yes, you said that "Piezography" only a brand name, but you failed to 
> address what "Piezography Limited" is.
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> Keith Krebs
> 



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sdmey4@... wrote:

>I think if you bang those rocks together, you'll get it. 
>Steve M. 
>In a message dated 9/27/2004 9:16:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
>editor@... writes:
>Snip>
>  
>
>>Yes, you said that "Piezography" only a brand name, but you failed to 
>>address what "Piezography Limited" is.
>>
>>    
>>

Steve,

to assume that simply because part of the name of a product (in this 
case "piezography") is a brand name or even a trademark therefore has 
ANY bearing on whether or not "Piezography Limited" is an independent 
legal entity is a mistake a good first-year law student wouldn't make. 
Whether, for example, the word "Exxon" in "Exxon Premium Unleaded" is  a 
brand-name or trademark is an entirely separate issue than whether 
"Exxon" is a separate legal entity. Many trademarks and brand names are 
held by companies and corporations with unrelated names..

In fact, "Piezography" is a registered trademark of Cone Editions 
Press.  Which IS in Chapter 11.  Of course, that trademark could be 
licensed to "Piezography Limited"

Why the confusion?  Because Cone's own pages have been seemingly 
contradictory on this fact.

Check his old Piezography contact page at:

http://tinyurl.com/5cutx
Note where it says: "Piezography® brand inkjet printing software
and archival supplies are developed exclusively by Piezography, Ltd."?

In fact, "Piezography Ltd" had a booth and a press kit at PMA in 2003.
http://www.steves-digicams.com/pr/piezographybw_pma2003_pr.pdf

Now try the current Piezo contact page at:
http://www.piezography.com/contact.html
It says: "Piezography® is a Registered Trademark of Cone Editions Press, 
Ltd."

A similar change is seen at:
<http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/bw/piezobwicc/piezographybwicc-faqs.html>
Where it formerly said
"Piezography, Ltd. Revamps Its Popular..."
It now says:
"Piezography Revamps Its Popular... "


Of course, if you KNOW the answer to my question Steve, please feel free 
to share.

With inkjet storefronts, OEMs, and Jon in particular, I long ago learned 
not to assume anything. That's not a swipe at Jon, what it is, is a 
statement of fact regarding how convoluted: businesses, rebranding, 
trademark, and brand name can become.



Keith

 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"




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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor P.O.V.
Image Service" 


> With inkjet storefronts, OEMs, and Jon in particular, I long ago
learned 
> not to assume anything. That's not a swipe at Jon, what it is, is a 
> statement of fact regarding how convoluted: businesses, rebranding, 
> trademark, and brand name can become.



And how important good proof-reading and copy editing are!

thanks,

Jon

piezobw wrote:

>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor P.O.V.
>Image Service" 
>
>
>  
>
>>With inkjet storefronts, OEMs, and Jon in particular, I long ago
>>    
>>
>learned 
>  
>
>>not to assume anything. That's not a swipe at Jon, what it is, is a 
>>statement of fact regarding how convoluted: businesses, rebranding, 
>>trademark, and brand name can become.
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>And how important good proof-reading and copy editing are!
>
>thanks,
>
>  
>
Glad to see that your business is now funny enough for you to make it a 
joke.
Keith

 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"

 

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piezobw wrote:

>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor P.O.V.
>Image Service" 
>
>
>  
>
>>With inkjet storefronts, OEMs, and Jon in particular, I long ago
>>    
>>
>learned 
>  
>
>>not to assume anything. That's not a swipe at Jon, what it is, is a 
>>statement of fact regarding how convoluted: businesses, rebranding, 
>>trademark, and brand name can become.
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>And how important good proof-reading and copy editing are!
>
>thanks,
>
>  
>
And once again, you are still avoiding the question.

answer the question Jon.

"Is Piezography Limited a separate legal entity (i.e. a company, 
partnership, sole-proprietorship, or corporation)?"
Keith

 
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" 
<piezobw@c...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor P.O.V.
> Image Service" 
> 
> 
> > With inkjet storefronts, OEMs, and Jon in particular, I long ago
> learned 
> > not to assume anything. That's not a swipe at Jon, what it is, is 
a 
> > statement of fact regarding how convoluted: businesses, 
rebranding, 
> > trademark, and brand name can become.
> 
> 
> 
> And how important good proof-reading and copy editing are!
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Jon

Proffreading? With todays spellcheckers it's totally unneccessary!

Cheers

Jules

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lulalake_1999" 
> > Jon
> 
> Proffreading? With todays spellcheckers it's totally unneccessary!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Jules

LOL...

On Sep 28, 2004, at 6:37 AM, Andre wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lulalake_1999"
>  > > Jon
>  >
>  > Proffreading? With todays spellcheckers it's totally unneccessary!
>  >
>  > Cheers
>  >
>  > Jules
>
>  LOL...
>
>

It's an amazing tool, and one that often surprises me in my early 
senility.  Never a flawless speller, I frequently have to turn to the 
dictionary to find out how I can be misspelling some familiar word I 
thought I knew. It also alerts me to typos. (Now, see, I would have 
thought "typoes" would have been more correct; but it likes "typos".)   
It may be a final bastion of safeguarding at least one aspect of 
literacy which contemporary usage seems bent on destroying, although it 
isn't smart enough to catch wrong usage: "its" , "it's"; "to", 
"too","two"; "their", "there", and "they're" are all spelled correctly, 
but frequently misused to the temorary misdirection of meaning.  One 
has to realize what the writer meant to say.

James

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan 
<james@r...> wrote:
> It's an amazing tool, and one that often surprises me in my early 
> senility.  ..snip....

But in reference to Jon's original comment, "And how important good 
proof-reading and copy editing are!", I don't think a spell checker 
would help much. I inferred from his comment that the use 
of 'Piezography Limited' in various web pages was a typo, and that a 
corporate entity with that name does not exist and never has.

...Ben

tynmansystems wrote:

>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan 
><james@r...> wrote:
>  
>
>>It's an amazing tool, and one that often surprises me in my early 
>>senility.  ..snip....
>>    
>>
>
>But in reference to Jon's original comment, "And how important good 
>proof-reading and copy editing are!", I don't think a spell checker 
>would help much. I inferred from his comment that the use 
>of 'Piezography Limited' in various web pages was a typo, and that a 
>corporate entity with that name does not exist and never has.
>
>.
>
You don't accidentally rent a booth at PMA in the name Piezography 
Limited.  You don't produce pdfs that are press packs for Piezography 
Limited accidentally.
http://tinyurl.com/3qz7m

and

http://tinyurl.com/6qxvd

Steve's Digicams didn't just independently report on "Piezography Limited."

The pages might be believable, the rest isn't.

If  no such entity exists Jon could easily end this by saying "no such 
entity as Piezography Limited existed, nor does it exist, nor have I 
ever participated in attempting to setup such an entity at any time 
hitherto."

Given the fact that for years, Jon represented Piezo BW as a 
self-developed product wholly owned by Cone Editions, he even claimed 
authorship in news pieces - when as I understand it, it was simply a 
licensed product with his brand name tacked on, the onus is on Jon to be 
up front, not on others to prove elsewise.
Keith

 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"

"Editor P.O.V. Image Service" wrote:
> If  no such entity exists Jon could easily end this by saying "no such 
> entity as Piezography Limited existed, nor does it exist, nor have I 
> ever participated in attempting to setup such an entity at any time 
> hitherto."

Keith,

It's time to move on with this. There's more important things in life to worry about.

John V.

John Vitollo wrote:

> "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" wrote:
>  
>
>>If  no such entity exists Jon could easily end this by saying "no such 
>>entity as Piezography Limited existed, nor does it exist, nor have I 
>>ever participated in attempting to setup such an entity at any time 
>>hitherto."
>>    
>>
>
>Keith,
>
>It's time to move on with this. There's more important things in life to worry about.
>
>  
>
Agreed John. He had his chance to answer, he didn't.  End of this chapter.
Keith

 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"