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Re: [Digital BW] Re: lith redevelopment - Success!

Re: [Digital BW] Re: lith redevelopment - Success!

2004-11-25 by steve_bye

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Roger and all,

The prints from Mpix.com can be bleached and redeveloped in a lith
developer.  While
not a "true" lith print is made, redeveloping in lith will introduce lith
type effects on
the print.  My prints acheived a split tone, stretching from purple to pink,
in the
midtone and highlight areas while the darker tones remained neutral.  The
creative
possibilities are endless, and this gives an excellent look to portraiture.

As I had no lith chemisty available but plenty of gumption, I bleached the
print in
standard septia toner to about 75% completion.  I used crystal drano (Sodium
Hydroxide) as the catalyst for the lith effect.  I added 1-1/2 tablespoons
to 1 liter of
water with 10 milliters of Sprint Film Developer.  The print redeveloped
slowly, then
quickly started to change colors - when the print looked right it was
snatched from
the developer and quickly dropped into stop bath and given a complete wash
sequence.

I did try paper developer in a standard working dilution, but the developer
was much
too active to achieve a lith effect.  It worked perfectly with very dilute
film developer
with a larger amount of NaOH.  I am beginning to see the possibilities of
this hybrid
digital/silver process and am very excited.  That and no banding!

Don



> I'd also like to hear the details about the Lith redevelopment process.
>   Please tell all Don.  This is a Digital Black and White list.  IMHO it
> sounds like this process is at least half digital, I'd think it's close
> enough to desired topic to be shared with the list.  Thanks, so much.
>
> Roger Smith, East Lansing, MI







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Re: [Digital BW] Re: lith redevelopment - Success!

2004-11-25 by steve_bye

This is a little off topic, but fits with your topic of "hybrid
digital/silver" processes.

Check out Dan Burkholder's great site http://www.danburkholder.com/. He uses
Epson printers, primarily the 2200 and 1280, to make "digital negatives." He
then contact prints the digital negatives on regular photographic print
paper and develops them using a standard wet process.

The process:
1. Shoot digitally or scan film
2. Dodge/burn/flash/tweak the image in Photoshop to create your B&W
masterpiece
3. Invert the image and print it at final print size on transparency film
(you must apply a special curve first to get it to print in a way that makes
the print look like the monitor)
4. Contact print it onto standard photographic paper and develop with a
normal wet darkroom process

The benefit: You get all the benefits of digital in the capture and
manipulation stage, but you get a final print that is silver gelatin print
with its great blacks and tonality.
(Incidentally, if you want the absolute best digital negatives, he explains
how to make them with an imagesetter, a 3600-4800 dpi device used to make
trenchancies used in the lith process.)

You really don't have to purchase anything to use his process, but I'd
strongly recommend buying his $15 "Inkjet Negative Companion," available at
his site.
I was pleasantly surprised that my first attempts looked very good. I plan
to do a little tweaking of the special curve to improve the monitor-to-print
match, but it was quite good right off the bat.

As a bonus, check out the pictures at his site. I think they are pretty
amazing.

Steve
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hill14701" <hill14701@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:49 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: lith redevelopment - Success!




Roger and all,

The prints from Mpix.com can be bleached and redeveloped in a lith
developer.  While
not a "true" lith print is made, redeveloping in lith will introduce lith
type effects on
the print.  My prints acheived a split tone, stretching from purple to pink,
in the
midtone and highlight areas while the darker tones remained neutral.  The
creative
possibilities are endless, and this gives an excellent look to portraiture.

As I had no lith chemisty available but plenty of gumption, I bleached the
print in
standard septia toner to about 75% completion.  I used crystal drano (Sodium
Hydroxide) as the catalyst for the lith effect.  I added 1-1/2 tablespoons
to 1 liter of
water with 10 milliters of Sprint Film Developer.  The print redeveloped
slowly, then
quickly started to change colors - when the print looked right it was
snatched from
the developer and quickly dropped into stop bath and given a complete wash
sequence.

I did try paper developer in a standard working dilution, but the developer
was much
too active to achieve a lith effect.  It worked perfectly with very dilute
film developer
with a larger amount of NaOH.  I am beginning to see the possibilities of
this hybrid
digital/silver process and am very excited.  That and no banding!

Don



> I'd also like to hear the details about the Lith redevelopment process.
>   Please tell all Don.  This is a Digital Black and White list.  IMHO it
> sounds like this process is at least half digital, I'd think it's close
> enough to desired topic to be shared with the list.  Thanks, so much.
>
> Roger Smith, East Lansing, MI







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- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames.
Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the
membership without notice.
- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W
printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from
the membership.
- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and
guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and
Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section:
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"MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU
FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY
DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS,
GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  "OWNER" AND
"MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY
TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR
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