Digital BW, The Print

My 12 year old daughter has decided she will try and make some 
spending money by selling some of her and some of my images as 
christmas cards. I get to help.

I'm looking for 10x5 pre-scored card.  It only needs to be coated on 
one side - the outside :). Ideally it would be smooth like EEM.  
She'll be printing toned images on a 2200 so having a profile 
available would also be great.

In the archive I found this link http://www.redrivercatalog.com/
cardshop/scored/uc/60polarmatte.htm to Red River which has 
ultrachrome cmpatible paper of the right weight and size.

Has anyone used this paper?  Is it smooth?  Are the profiles
accurate? 
 Any other recommendations?

--
Kevin

Museo comes in a few sizes of cards:

http://www.crane.com/museo/cards.aspx

-Jason

> I'm looking for 10x5 pre-scored card.  It only needs to be coated
on 

> one side - the outside :). Ideally it would be smooth like EEM.  
> She'll be printing toned images on a 2200 so having a profile 
> available would also be great.

Thanks Jason.

Also, i guess doing arithmatic and typing at the same time it too much 
for me today.  The card size is 10x7 (5x7 folded) not 10x5.

--
Kevin

> Museo comes in a few sizes of cards:
> 
> http://www.crane.com/museo/cards.aspx
> 
> -Jason
> 
> > I'm looking for 10x5 pre-scored card.  It only needs to be coated
> on 
> > one side - the outside :). Ideally it would be smooth like EEM.  
> > She'll be printing toned images on a 2200 so having a profile 
> > available would also be great.

Yes, I've used the Red River Polar Matte. Looks real nice. Haven't used their profiles, 
created my own.

Only comment, it's too expensive!

Since I'm printing several hundred cards at a time, I have switched to buying a 
KonicaMinolta 2350 color laser printer. Print out on an 80 lb coverweight stock very nicely. 
Had a local printer get the paper in for me and cut & score it to size. Cost for paper this 
way was only about 7 cents a sheet.

John Nollendorfs
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "gulstenek" <keving@d...> wrote:

> 
> Thanks Jason.
> 
> Also, i guess doing arithmatic and typing at the same time it too much 
> for me today.  The card size is 10x7 (5x7 folded) not 10x5.
> 
> --
> Kevin
> 
> > Museo comes in a few sizes of cards:
> > 
> > http://www.crane.com/museo/cards.aspx
> > 
> > -Jason

I am using Moab Entrada 10x7 prescored stock.

I am printing using QTR from a Mac to a 2200 and getting great results, 
but not without a bit of pain.

Things I have learned:

Feeding the stock is a bit of a challenge sometimes, Manual feed if 
necessary.

If you are able to stack feed, keep an eye on the print job as things 
can go awry and waste a lot of expensive paper, ink and time.

Be careful of roller smudges and the tendency of the print head to rub 
against the paper if you print too close to the edge or if there is any 
curl in the paper. This is especially an issue if you are printing on 
both sides of the card as running a printed sheet through the printer, 
especially through the stack feeder will get a small amount of ink 
residue on the rollers. It is a good idea to run a sheet of paper 
sprayed until damp with Windex or the like through the machine every 
once in a while to keep everything running well.

Getting the image centered in the card is a bit of a challenge.
	A) The printer won't automatically center things for you, you have to 
kind of fudge it in the application. I have found that using Adobe 
Illustrator or a layout app that allows you to precisely position the 
image on the page can help to get this worked out.
	B) The printer doesn't feed and orient the paper precisely every time 
making it difficult to align things.
	C) and most obnoxious, the paper isn't cut to size precisely, or 
necessarily scored exactly at the mid point.
	D) Just wait until you try to print on both sides and get both images 
to center in the card! It is possible, but you have to really think 
things out and follow a rigid and repeatable process.

Make sure you fully mock up the design and proof the entire process all 
the way to the card in the envelope before going into mass production.

It is a really good idea to dust the paper before printing, Otherwise 
you will have flaking that really causes problems.

You may want to spray cards you are offering for sale so subsequent 
handling does not mar or damage the cards.

I am going to print some color images this same way next week. I have 
had good luck using the Epson profiles for their Watercolor Radiant 
White.

(Can you tell I am in the middle of doing this myself right now?)

Good Luck

James Haney

On Nov 30, 2004, at 1:33 PM, sinar001 wrote:

>
>
> Yes, I've used the Red River Polar Matte. Looks real nice. Haven't 
> used their profiles,
> created my own.
>
> Only comment, it's too expensive!
>
> Since I'm printing several hundred cards at a time, I have switched to 
> buying a
> KonicaMinolta 2350 color laser printer. Print out on an 80 lb 
> coverweight stock very nicely.
> Had a local printer get the paper in for me and cut & score it to 
> size. Cost for paper this
> way was only about 7 cents a sheet.
>
> John Nollendorfs
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "gulstenek" 
> <keving@d...> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Jason.
>>
>> Also, i guess doing arithmatic and typing at the same time it too much
>> for me today.  The card size is 10x7 (5x7 folded) not 10x5.
>>
>> --
>> Kevin
>>
>>> Museo comes in a few sizes of cards:
>>>
>>> http://www.crane.com/museo/cards.aspx
>>>
>>> -Jason
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I decided to make my own Christmas cards this year (boredom set in).  I
bought a box of 30 pre-scored cards and envelopes from CompUSA for $10
(Avery heavyweight half-fold cards, textured, #3378).  Printing with
pigments won't work, but printing on the less-textured side with Canon dye
inks was close enough (the paper is uncoated).  The Canon i950 driver lets
you set the high-res and photo features with plain paper.  With the Canon
you can load 10 at a time and print time is fast.  Then turn them over and
print the message, from MS Word.  I did make the same card with HM German
Etching on the 2200 with the IP profile and it was obviously better, but:
for 99.9% of the recipients this will be "close enough" and is fairly
effortless.  For the remainder I will use HM.  Since things are set up a few
more boxes of cards will suffice.  The paper and envelopes are 30c.  I don't
know what ink costs but it can't be much.  Obviously if you need more than
100-200 cards some other solution is indicated.

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Haney [mailto:jhaney@...] 
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 10:22 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Card Stock (10x7)
> 
> 
> I am using Moab Entrada 10x7 prescored stock.
> 
> I am printing using QTR from a Mac to a 2200 and getting 
> great results, but not without a bit of pain.
> 
> Things I have learned: