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Re: [Digital BW] paper surfaces

2001-11-11 by sdmey4@aol.com

In a message dated 11/11/2001 12:51:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
fh.gross@... writes:


> I have not yet bought a printer to dedicate to B&W - but I'm reading all I
> can to catch up and establish whether I'll be able to set up a
> printer/ink/paper flow that will produce prints which approximate
> traditional fibre base silver prints.
> >snip
:) BIG SMILE! What your looking for has not been acomplished yet with any ink 
paper combo I know of, I'am sure others will back up this statement.
If you gotta have the air dried glossy fiber paper look, stick to the 
darkroom. Truth is, the matte finish papers look fine, (outstanding) behind 
glass, you would be hard pressed to tell the differance.
Steve Meyers



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Re: [Digital BW] paper surfaces

2001-11-12 by jeffm@gis.net

"fh.g" wrote:
> 
> I have not yet bought a printer to dedicate to B&W - but I'm reading all I
> can to catch up and establish whether I'll be able to set up a
> printer/ink/paper flow that will produce prints which approximate
> traditional fibre base silver prints. My question now is which papers would
> come close to a glossy fibre base (Not RC) surface with the attendant depth
> of tone ? I have seen samples of inkjet prints done on Epson Archival matte,
> Somerset Velvet, & ConeTech Chelsea. These, of course, do not. Fibre base
> glossy usually is not a high gloss like the "plastic" finish of RC gloss,
> but it has a sheen or lustre, which can produce rich dark tones,  which
> matte surface lacks. Any ideas ? Better yet, anyone willing to mail (I'll
> gladly reimburse) me a sample ?
> thanks
> Frank
> http://www.frankgross.com/

Frank;

I too have been looking for a paper that would approximate a traditional
fibre print. I do a lot of portraits with very smooth even tones and
don't really care for papers with a lot of tooth that tend to disrupt
the image. The best paper I have found so far is Kodak Satin inkjet
paper. To the touch this paper does feel like plastic  BUT to the eye it
is VERY much like a traditional fibre glossy air dried print. The paper
has a wonderful sheen to it without being too glossy... nice tonal
depth! There are a few drawbacks to this paper:  It currently only comes
in one size, 8 1/2" x11" . It does come in 2 weights. <Ulitma> 71lb 270
g/m . For a little less money it comes in <Premium grade> 59lb 220 g/m.
But so far NO larger sizes. With the MIS inks.. the prints come out of
the printer ALMOST dry but not totally. I tend to let them dry overnight
or hit them with a hair dryer on the COOL setting. I have a feeling that
with the Cone inks, they may exit the printer even less dry. When these
prints are viewed off angle they appear quite metallic! To get rid of
this problem I have been spraying them with Lumijet inkjet uv spray.
Once sprayed the blacks on this paper become even more luscious. Because
this paper is less porous than fine art inkjet papers there is less dot
spread. If you have any  banding it will be more visible on this paper.
Any dot visibility is also more apparent.

My 2nd choice for a really smooth paper is Legion Photo matte. It is
matte paper so it does not have the sheen of an air dried fibre paper
but it is a VERY smooth very white paper that produces excellent blacks!
Under glass it would be VERY hard to distinguish it from a Fibre print.
This paper come in 3 sizes that I know of. 8 1/2 x 11, 11 x 14 & 11 x
17.  

-Jeff

Re: paper surfaces

2001-11-12 by fh.gross@sympatico.ca

Truth is, the matte finish papers look fine, (outstanding) behind 
> glass, you would be hard pressed to tell the differance.
> Steve Meyers
> 
Which matte papers would you suggest have the smoothest and 
most "traditional fibre base air dried" look to them ?
thanks
Frank

Re: [Digital BW] paper surfaces

2001-11-12 by fh.gross@sympatico.ca

The best paper I have found so far is Kodak Satin inkjet

> My 2nd choice for a really smooth paper is Legion Photo matte. 

Jeff,
Do you use MIS quadtone inks with these papers ? And which printer ?
thanks
Frank

Re: [Digital BW] paper surfaces

2001-11-13 by Martin Wesley

Frank,

I would second Steve's remarks below and add that the one thing you 
can do to move away from the matte surface is to varnish the inkjet 
prints. This still does not look like silver fiber but does perhaps 
come closer.

Good smooth papers are Legion Photo Matte, Hahnemule Photo Matte, 
Brightcube Eclipse Satine.

I have tried the Kodak Ultima Satin paper with Piezo and MIS VM but 
to my taste is too much like an RC print and exhibited some bronzing. 
Best of the glossy or pearl papers though and a wonderful deep brown 
tone.

Martin Wesley


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., sdmey4@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/11/2001 12:51:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> fh.gross@s... writes:
> 
> 
> > I have not yet bought a printer to dedicate to B&W - but I'm 
reading all I
> > can to catch up and establish whether I'll be able to set up a
> > printer/ink/paper flow that will produce prints which approximate
> > traditional fibre base silver prints.
> > >snip
> :) BIG SMILE! What your looking for has not been acomplished yet 
with any ink 
> paper combo I know of, I'am sure others will back up this statement.
> If you gotta have the air dried glossy fiber paper look, stick to 
the 
> darkroom. Truth is, the matte finish papers look fine, 
(outstanding) behind 
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> glass, you would be hard pressed to tell the differance.
> Steve Meyers
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