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2004-12-16 by Michael Gordon
I print with an Epson 7600 using QTR. I'm hoping to sometime soon acquire a second printer for my color work, thus allowing me to convert my 7600 to a dedicated b/w printer with the UT7 inkset. In the meantime, I swap back and forth between Epson PK and MK. Is there a distinct visual advantage between MK and Eboni black, or is it only measurable? Thanks for your answers. Michael www.mgordonphotography.com
2004-12-16 by Paul Roark
Michael, Eboni is less warm but UC MK is a bit darker. In most printers I've had I preferred the relatively cooler Eboni. Even though the X-Rite says the UC MK is slightly darker, the Eboni looked darker. However, in some recent 4000 test strips I've seen, the differences in darkness/dmax are more serious -- in fact, dramatic. With both the 7600 and then more so with the 4000, the Eboni dmax I'm seeing is slipping. The smaller dot size, perhaps with some other differences, seems to be working against Eboni and the MIS PK also. It's odd that in the C86 the UC PK is darker than the MIS PK on Premium Semimatte, but in the 7500 the MIS PK does better than the UC PK. But, back to the UC Matte Black, in some 4000 test strips I've seen the UC MK has such a better dmax that it would be a serious contender for me in that printer even despite it's higher price. I'm just speculating that the 7600 may be close to the same as the 4000 in this respect. Paul www.PaulRoark.com ____________________________
-----Original Message----- From: Michael Gordon [mailto:michael_gordon@...] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 9:06 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Eboni Black vs. Ultrachrome MK I print with an Epson 7600 using QTR. I'm hoping to sometime soon acquire a second printer for my color work, thus allowing me to convert my 7600 to a dedicated b/w printer with the UT7 inkset. In the meantime, I swap back and forth between Epson PK and MK. Is there a distinct visual advantage between MK and Eboni black, or is it only measurable? Thanks for your answers. Michael www.mgordonphotography.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
2004-12-16 by Michael Gordon
Thanks a lot for your answer, Paul. Hmmmm, I get the feeling that maybe I should just stick with the UC inkset and QTR and call it my dedicated b/w printer? :) I print on Photorag, btw, and I am not displeased with my prints, just always looking for a way to make them better. Perhaps no changes are in order..... Thanks again. Michael www.mgordonphotography.com
2004-12-16 by Paul Roark
Michael, I have found the UC MK works well with the MIS inks. That is, one can have the UT7 and the UC MK in the printer at the same time and have the advantages of both. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
-----Original Message----- From: Michael Gordon [mailto:michael_gordon@...] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:12 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] RE: Eboni Black vs. Ultrachrome MK Thanks a lot for your answer, Paul. Hmmmm, I get the feeling that maybe I should just stick with the UC inkset and QTR and call it my dedicated b/w printer? :) I print on Photorag, btw, and I am not displeased with my prints, just always looking for a way to make them better. Perhaps no changes are in order..... Thanks again. Michael www.mgordonphotography.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links