Digital BW, The Print

Thanks - all these noobie type questions I'm asking 

it's currently just one cartridge, but it's good to know "best practices" going in.

This would give me a great reason for getinng the vacum sealer - "but honey I have to save money on ink !" - although if the cart was not fully sealed - wouldn't it pull ink out the exit port when you vacum seal ?

I hadn't thought about bacteria, is that with all inks, dye or pigment,  or only certain ones - I'm using the MIS EZ inks - are the materials in here more (or less, or equally) prone to bacterial buildup ?

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: hmseattle2004 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 5:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] longevity of a cartirdge hat's been partiall used



  This is a good question, that I wish I had asked when I first 
  archived some partially used ink cartridges.

  Basically there are two issues you need to deal with

  1) Evaporation (which is obvious) and,
  2) Bacteria growth (which, at least for me, wasnt initially obvious)

  You can slow evaporation by sealing a cartridge in a well evacuated 
  plastic bag, but, this will not prevent bateria from  growing within 
  the ink itself. If bacteria forms, you'll be able to tell because 
  the ink will become *stringy* (which is actually the bacteria!). You 
  can slow the growth in several ways: placing it in a well evacuated 
  plastic bag, seal all the ports on the cartridges and put in a cool 
  place (think of it as a piece of meat - but DONT freeze it!). This 
  could keep a cartridge for up to a year (I've done it with ok 
  success), but its not guaranteed, and different inks are prone to 
  bacteria growth at different rates.  You can also try to *seal* the 
  cartridge in a food storage vacuum sealer (for instance something 
  like http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=302042) , 
  which, in theory, will slow evaporation and bacteria better than 
  just a platic bag. Of course, if its just a cartridge or two, it 
  just easier and cheaper to not risk gumming up your print head and 
  buy fresh cartridges... or print more often :->

  Hope this helps.

  Howard



  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Good" 
  <agood214@c...> wrote:
  > Anyone have any tips on how t best store a partially used cart ?
  > 
  > Thanks
  > 
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Aaron

Be careful with the food sealer. I think it has way too much vacuum. 
I placed my MIS UT inkset in a bag to keep them from drying out, 
intending to leave them only a few days and when drawing the air out 
with a straw - ink began to run out of the cartridges. Now I have a 
huge mess inside the bag. Trying to decide whether to write it off 
or clean them up.

I had thought of using the sealer earlier - sure glad I didn't do 
it. 

Bill

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Good" 
<agood214@c...> wrote:
> Thanks - all these noobie type questions I'm asking 
> 
> it's currently just one cartridge, but it's good to know "best 
practices" going in.
> 
> This would give me a great reason for getinng the vacum sealer -
 "but honey I have to save money on ink !" - although if the cart 
was not fully sealed - wouldn't it pull ink out the exit port when 
you vacum seal ?
> 
> I hadn't thought about bacteria, is that with all inks, dye or 
pigment,  or only certain ones - I'm using the MIS EZ inks - are the 
materials in here more (or less, or equally) prone to bacterial 
buildup ?
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: hmseattle2004 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 5:25 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] longevity of a cartirdge hat's been 
partiall used
> 
> 
> 
>   This is a good question, that I wish I had asked when I first 
>   archived some partially used ink cartridges.
> 
>   Basically there are two issues you need to deal with
> 
>   1) Evaporation (which is obvious) and,
>   2) Bacteria growth (which, at least for me, wasnt initially 
obvious)
> 
>   You can slow evaporation by sealing a cartridge in a well 
evacuated 
>   plastic bag, but, this will not prevent bateria from  growing 
within 
>   the ink itself. If bacteria forms, you'll be able to tell 
because 
>   the ink will become *stringy* (which is actually the bacteria!). 
You 
>   can slow the growth in several ways: placing it in a well 
evacuated 
>   plastic bag, seal all the ports on the cartridges and put in a 
cool 
>   place (think of it as a piece of meat - but DONT freeze it!). 
This 
>   could keep a cartridge for up to a year (I've done it with ok 
>   success), but its not guaranteed, and different inks are prone 
to 
>   bacteria growth at different rates.  You can also try to *seal* 
the 
>   cartridge in a food storage vacuum sealer (for instance 
something 
>   like http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=302042) , 
>   which, in theory, will slow evaporation and bacteria better than 
>   just a platic bag. Of course, if its just a cartridge or two, it 
>   just easier and cheaper to not risk gumming up your print head 
and 
>   buy fresh cartridges... or print more often :->
> 
>   Hope this helps.
> 
>   Howard
> 
> 
> 
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron 
Good" 
>   <agood214@c...> wrote:
>   > Anyone have any tips on how t best store a partially used 
cart ?
>   > 
>   > Thanks
>   > 
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Bill,

Great point about sucking the ink right out of the cartidges using a 
food sealer! Keeping the ports sealed on the cartridge is critical 
and not so easy.

Howard

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "yanceyiv" 
<bvaughn4@k...> wrote:
> 
> Aaron
> 
> Be careful with the food sealer. I think it has way too much 
vacuum. 
> I placed my MIS UT inkset in a bag to keep them from drying out, 
> intending to leave them only a few days and when drawing the air 
out 
> with a straw - ink began to run out of the cartridges. Now I have 
a 
> huge mess inside the bag. Trying to decide whether to write it off 
> or clean them up.
> 
> I had thought of using the sealer earlier - sure glad I didn't do 
> it. 
> 
> Bill
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Good" 
> <agood214@c...> wrote:
> > Thanks - all these noobie type questions I'm asking 
> > 
> > it's currently just one cartridge, but it's good to know "best 
> practices" going in.
> > 
> > This would give me a great reason for getinng the vacum sealer -
>  "but honey I have to save money on ink !" - although if the cart 
> was not fully sealed - wouldn't it pull ink out the exit port when 
> you vacum seal ?
> > 
> > I hadn't thought about bacteria, is that with all inks, dye or 
> pigment,  or only certain ones - I'm using the MIS EZ inks - are 
the 
> materials in here more (or less, or equally) prone to bacterial 
> buildup ?
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: hmseattle2004 
> >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 5:25 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] longevity of a cartirdge hat's been 
> partiall used
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   This is a good question, that I wish I had asked when I first 
> >   archived some partially used ink cartridges.
> > 
> >   Basically there are two issues you need to deal with
> > 
> >   1) Evaporation (which is obvious) and,
> >   2) Bacteria growth (which, at least for me, wasnt initially 
> obvious)
> > 
> >   You can slow evaporation by sealing a cartridge in a well 
> evacuated 
> >   plastic bag, but, this will not prevent bateria from  growing 
> within 
> >   the ink itself. If bacteria forms, you'll be able to tell 
> because 
> >   the ink will become *stringy* (which is actually the 
bacteria!). 
> You 
> >   can slow the growth in several ways: placing it in a well 
> evacuated 
> >   plastic bag, seal all the ports on the cartridges and put in a 
> cool 
> >   place (think of it as a piece of meat - but DONT freeze it!). 
> This 
> >   could keep a cartridge for up to a year (I've done it with ok 
> >   success), but its not guaranteed, and different inks are prone 
> to 
> >   bacteria growth at different rates.  You can also try to 
*seal* 
> the 
> >   cartridge in a food storage vacuum sealer (for instance 
> something 
> >   like http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?
SKU=302042) , 
> >   which, in theory, will slow evaporation and bacteria better 
than 
> >   just a platic bag. Of course, if its just a cartridge or two, 
it 
> >   just easier and cheaper to not risk gumming up your print head 
> and 
> >   buy fresh cartridges... or print more often :->
> > 
> >   Hope this helps.
> > 
> >   Howard
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron 
> Good" 
> >   <agood214@c...> wrote:
> >   > Anyone have any tips on how t best store a partially used 
> cart ?
> >   > 
> >   > Thanks
> >   > 
> >   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
> resources as they are often being updated.
> > 
> >   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > 
> >   If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or 
you 
> wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by 
> visiting this same page.
> > 
> >   Please follow these basic guidelines:
> >   - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier 
> messages to keep them short.
> >   - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks 
or 
> flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed 
> from the membership without notice.
> >   - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of 
> digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts 
> may be removed from the membership.
> >   - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group 
rules 
> and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the 
> group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and 
Guidelines" 
> in the Files section:
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
> > 
> >   BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, 
> THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT 
> THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP 
> SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, 
> SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT 
> LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR 
> OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF 
> DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE 
> POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE 
> INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) 
> UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR 
DATA; 
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