Digital BW, The Print

Hi Gang

Well, my new C86 and EZ inks are here and working well - that is -
after I managed to make all the first level rookie mistakes. I'm pretty pleased by what
I see. I'd like to thank all those that have asked questions for those of us that read more
than we write.

Now its on to paper selection - just like my "wet lab" experience - paper choice looks like 
its going to be a big deal. I print fiber base and selenium tone to a slightly cool tone print 
when I'm making traditional silver prints. I'm stumped when it comes to my new "carbon" 
prints. Here in north Idaho there's not much to choose from on the shelves in the local 
office supply stores So I'm looking for some advice.

To date - I've sampled some Epson Matte Paper Heavyweight (had some in the drawer). 
HP's Soft Gloss Photo Paper (got it from a friend) and Epson DURABrite (came with the 
printer). The Matte Paper is ok - the HP looks more like a resin coat silver paper and the 
DURABrite comes close to looking like an air dryed fiber base gloss surface. I couldn't find 
any info on the lifespan of any of these papers - so I'm hoping for some advice. Could 
someone recommend:

1. A "white" paper that has a finish similar to a gloss surface fiber-base printing paper - 
and an archival lifespan. Are spray coatings required here?

2. A "white" matte surface paper with archival lifespan.

Thanks in advance fro any help you can offer.

Phil Corlis
Coeur d Alene, Idaho

"1. A "white" paper that has a finish similar to a gloss surface 
fiber-base
printing paper -
and an archival lifespan. Are spray coatings required here?"

Then Phil, you must try Epson Premium Luster Photo Paper.
So far, that's the closest I've been able to get. And that pretty 
close.

Locally, I buy it at CompUSA. 
If you need to "mail-order" it, B&H carries it.

So far as matte is concerned, I've used Epson Double-sided Matte, and,
Epson Enhanced Matte. My understanding is the Double-sided Matte is 
Epson Enhanced Matte on both sides. In other words: Same paper; two 
printable surfaces.

I really want to get to Costco to buy some of their Kirkland Glossy 
Photo Paper that Paul has been raving
about.

$18.99/ 100 shts is a steal for a paper of such great (hopefully) 
quality.

After I buy some, I'm post my thoughts here.

Good printing,


Scott



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pdcorlis" 
<pdcorlis@a...> wrote:
> 
> Hi Gang
> 
> Well, my new C86 and EZ inks are here and working well - that is -
> after I managed to make all the first level rookie mistakes. I'm 
pretty pleased by what
> I see. I'd like to thank all those that have asked questions for 
those of us that read more
> than we write.
> 
> Now its on to paper selection - just like my "wet lab" experience - 
paper choice looks like 
> its going to be a big deal. I print fiber base and selenium tone to 
a slightly cool tone print 
> when I'm making traditional silver prints. I'm stumped when it 
comes to my new "carbon" 
> prints. Here in north Idaho there's not much to choose from on the 
shelves in the local 
> office supply stores So I'm looking for some advice.
> 
> To date - I've sampled some Epson Matte Paper Heavyweight (had some 
in the drawer). 
> HP's Soft Gloss Photo Paper (got it from a friend) and Epson 
DURABrite (came with the 
> printer). The Matte Paper is ok - the HP looks more like a resin 
coat silver paper and the 
> DURABrite comes close to looking like an air dryed fiber base gloss 
surface. I couldn't find 
> any info on the lifespan of any of these papers - so I'm hoping for 
some advice. Could 
> someone recommend:
> 
> 1. A "white" paper that has a finish similar to a gloss surface 
fiber-base printing paper - 

> and an archival lifespan. Are spray coatings required here?
> 
> 2. A "white" matte surface paper with archival lifespan.
> 
> Thanks in advance fro any help you can offer.
> 
> Phil Corlis
> Coeur d Alene, Idaho

Hi everyone,

I've been casually reading messages here for the last couple of months and
now have a surface familiarity with the issues of black and white digital
printing.  Thank you.

I have an Epson 2200 that I used for color printing, but am interested in
buying an Epson C86 and an MIS inkset for dedicated black and white
printing.

Where do I start?  Aside from the printer, what do I need to buy?  What are
your preferred online sources for MIS Inks?

[L]

> Where do I start?  Aside from the printer, what do I need to buy?  What are
> your preferred online sources for MIS Inks?

There's only one source: http://www.inksupply.com

You will have to decide if you want warm inks or neutral. The neutral inks
can be warmed up by degrees. You will want to bookmark this link:

http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/C86-EZ-UT-Readme.htm

My advice is to start with two sets of cartridges, one set of warm inks
and one set of neutral inks, so you can try out the combinations to find
the tones you want.

Be warned: The preloaded cartridges seem to be back-ordered fairly
frequently. I suspect that there is a pretty big interest and they get
sold like hot-cakes.

The other alternative, and I wish I went this way, is to buy a set of
refill cartridges and some bottles of ink. That way you can fill them
yourself (you're going to like this so you will be frustrated when the
one-shot cartridges run dry on you).

Then you can still switch cartridges and refill them easily.

I went with the CFS system. I like it a lot, but I can't experiment with
the various combinations of warm/neutral inks that you can with the refill
cartridges. I hear it is so easy to refill the new kind that the CFS
system is over-kill.

MIS' most recent newsletter will get you started:

http://www.inksupply.com/html/news/1204/1204newsedition.html

They're closed until after the New Year, so you have time to rummage
around.

Daniel Ridings

Hi Daniel,

Thank you very much for the information.  I think this will set me on my
way.

[L]

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Ridings [mailto:daniel.ridings@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 1:58 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson C86 & MIS Inks


> Where do I start?  Aside from the printer, what do I need to buy?  What
are
> your preferred online sources for MIS Inks?

There's only one source: http://www.inksupply.com

You will have to decide if you want warm inks or neutral. The neutral inks
can be warmed up by degrees. You will want to bookmark this link:

http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/C86-EZ-UT-Readme.htm

My advice is to start with two sets of cartridges, one set of warm inks
and one set of neutral inks, so you can try out the combinations to find
the tones you want.

Be warned: The preloaded cartridges seem to be back-ordered fairly
frequently. I suspect that there is a pretty big interest and they get
sold like hot-cakes.

The other alternative, and I wish I went this way, is to buy a set of
refill cartridges and some bottles of ink. That way you can fill them
yourself (you're going to like this so you will be frustrated when the
one-shot cartridges run dry on you).

Then you can still switch cartridges and refill them easily.

I went with the CFS system. I like it a lot, but I can't experiment with
the various combinations of warm/neutral inks that you can with the refill
cartridges. I hear it is so easy to refill the new kind that the CFS
system is over-kill.

MIS' most recent newsletter will get you started:

http://www.inksupply.com/html/news/1204/1204newsedition.html

They're closed until after the New Year, so you have time to rummage
around.

Daniel Ridings




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