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2005-01-19 by claudej1@aol.com
Inkjetmall has some new papers that appear to be a good value for rag papers. Anyone tried them yet? How do they compare to EEM and Photo Rag? Claude [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-01-19 by José Miguel Ferreira
Hi all, Any experience with Bergger paper? They produce wonderful paper for the wet darkroom. It seems like it's their own coating on Arches 300g/m2 mould-made cotton paper... It's kind of expensive, so any info from users would be nice before ordering it. Here's their link: http://www.bergger.com/introusa.htm Also, what's the difference between "Hot Press" and "Cold Press" coating, besides the temperature, obviously.... :-) Thanks! José
2005-01-19 by Hamish Stewart
Hot Press paper has a smoother finish, which is created by passing the paper sheet through heated rollers. Cold Pressed is where the paper is passed through cold rollers. Cold Pressed is also often classified as NOT and will have a rougher texture than hot pressed paper. Depending on the manufacturer cold pressed surfaces can often have a noticeable texture which won't suit everyone's taste. You might also find that the hot pressed paper prints with a little more detail than the cold pressed or NOT Regards Hamish Hamish Stewart Gum Bichromate Photographer - http://www.gumphoto.co.uk On 19/1/05 18:01, "José Miguel Ferreira" <jmf@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Any experience with Bergger paper? They produce wonderful paper for the wet > darkroom. It seems like it's their own coating on Arches 300g/m2 mould-made > cotton paper... > > It's kind of expensive, so any info from users would be nice before ordering > it. > > Here's their link: http://www.bergger.com/introusa.htm > > Also, what's the difference between "Hot Press" and "Cold Press" coating, > besides the temperature, obviously.... :-) > > Thanks! > José > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership > without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the > membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND > MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, > USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Hamish Stewart Gum Bichromate Photographer - http://www.gumphoto.co.uk
2005-01-19 by donbga
Jose, > It's kind of expensive, so any info from users would be nice before ordering > it. I've used the Bergger Smooth surface ink jet matt surface paper and it is very nice. It has a warmer tone but with no brightners. It is expensive though. I also use Begger Cot 320 for Alternative Process prints and it to is excellent, but I wouldn't reccomend an uncoated paper for ink jet print unless you are looking for something different. Don Bryant
2005-01-20 by Douglas Meeuwsen
hmmmm.....By any chance are you the hamish stewart that played bass with the Average White Band?.....that would be cool. You and Graham Nash would an amazingly lot of stuff to talk about. doug m On Jan 19, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Hamish Stewart wrote: > > Hot Press paper has a smoother finish, which is created by passing > the paper > sheet through heated rollers. Cold Pressed is where the paper is > passed > through cold rollers. Cold Pressed is also often classified as NOT > and will > have a rougher texture than hot pressed paper. Depending on the > manufacturer > cold pressed surfaces can often have a noticeable texture which won't > suit > everyone's taste. > > You might also find that the hot pressed paper prints with a little > more > detail than the cold pressed or NOT > > Regards > > Hamish > > > Hamish Stewart Gum Bichromate Photographer - http://www.gumphoto.co.uk > > On 19/1/05 18:01, "Jos� Miguel Ferreira" <jmf@...> wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Any experience with Bergger paper? They produce wonderful paper for > the wet > > darkroom. It seems like it's their own coating on Arches 300g/m2 > mould-made > > cotton paper... > > > > It's kind of expensive, so any info from users would be nice before > ordering > > it. > > > > Here's their link: http://www.bergger.com/introusa.htm > > > > Also, what's the difference between "Hot Press" and "Cold Press" > coating, > > besides the temperature, obviously.... :-) > > > > Thanks! > > Jos� > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as > > they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > wish to > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same > > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep > > them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. 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2005-01-20 by Douglas Meeuwsen
Just checked the internet....it is Hamish Stuart, not Hamish Stewart, that is the Scottish soul King. Loved that Band....DM
On Jan 19, 2005, at 4:34 PM, Douglas Meeuwsen wrote: > > hmmmm.....By any chance are you the hamish stewart that played bass > with the Average White Band?.....that would be cool. You and Graham > Nash would an amazingly lot of stuff to talk about. > doug m > On Jan 19, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Hamish Stewart wrote: > >> >> Hot Press paper has a smoother finish, which is created by passing >> the paper >> sheet through heated rollers. Cold Pressed is where the paper is >> passed >> through cold rollers. Cold Pressed is also often classified as NOT >> and will >> have a rougher texture than hot pressed paper. Depending on the >> manufacturer >> cold pressed surfaces can often have a noticeable texture which won't >> suit >> everyone's taste. >> >> You might also find that the hot pressed paper prints with a little >> more >> detail than the cold pressed or NOT >> >> Regards >> >> Hamish >> >> >> Hamish Stewart Gum Bichromate Photographer - >> http://www.gumphoto.co.uk >> >> On 19/1/05 18:01, "José Miguel Ferreira" <jmf@...> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Any experience with Bergger paper? They produce wonderful paper for >> the wet >>> darkroom. It seems like it's their own coating on Arches 300g/m2 >> mould-made >>> cotton paper... >>> >>> It's kind of expensive, so any info from users would be nice before >> ordering >>> it. >>> >>> Here's their link: http://www.bergger.com/introusa.htm >>> >>> Also, what's the difference between "Hot Press" and "Cold Press" >> coating, >>> besides the temperature, obviously.... :-) >>> >>> Thanks! >>> José >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other >> resources as >>> they are often being updated. >>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >>> >>> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you >> wish to >>> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting >> this same >>> page. >>> >>> Please follow these basic guidelines: >>> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages >> to keep >>> them short. >>> - Good manners are required at all time. 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2005-01-20 by Ernst Dinkla
Jos\ufffd Miguel Ferreira wrote: > Hi all, > > Any experience with Bergger paper? They produce wonderful paper for the wet > darkroom. It seems like it's their own coating on Arches 300g/m2 mould-made > cotton paper... > > It's kind of expensive, so any info from users would be nice before ordering > it. > > Here's their link: http://www.bergger.com/introusa.htm > > Also, what's the difference between "Hot Press" and "Cold Press" coating, > besides the temperature, obviously.... :-) > > Thanks! > Jos\ufffd No direct experience. I went to the booth of Bergger at the Photokina show and collected a print made on a 2200 with UC inks. Only available in sheet sizes. Quality is at the level of the Hahnemuhle, Hawk Mountain Condor papers. The black in the print measures 1.56 Dmax, paper PN33 High Definition Fine Art, rather rough texture and creamy colour. Do not know what driver they used for that print. I think the Innova papers are a bit better than that category but lack a bit of the feel of good art papers. But the last are far cheaper though. I also talked with the people of Arjo Wiggens, Canson-Arches papers and asked why they couldn't make a similar quality to the Bergger coating. They admitted that Bergger used their stock but said that the quantity the company makes isn't very high and in all they were a bit denigrating the firm. I still am waiting for the ArjoWiggens new paper samples that I had asked for at the booth and later on by phone in Belgium (their representation in the Netherlands is nill if one asks for inkjet paper). The samples they showed at the booth were not as good as Bergger's but I was interested in a new thick passepartout paper for inkjet printing. Strange to see a small firm deliver better coatings than an international paper giant like ArjoWiggins. Ernst
2005-01-20 by José Miguel Ferreira
Ernst, Thanks for the info. Which one of the Hahnemühle papers the Bergger paper felt like? And why did Arches say that Bergger was denigrating the firm? José
-----Original Message----- From: Ernst Dinkla [mailto:E.Dinkla@...] Sent: jeudi, 20. janvier 2005 12:55 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Bergger paper José Miguel Ferreira wrote: > Hi all, > > Any experience with Bergger paper? They produce wonderful paper for the wet > darkroom. It seems like it's their own coating on Arches 300g/m2 mould-made > cotton paper... > > It's kind of expensive, so any info from users would be nice before ordering > it. > > Here's their link: http://www.bergger.com/introusa.htm > > Also, what's the difference between "Hot Press" and "Cold Press" coating, > besides the temperature, obviously.... :-) > > Thanks! > José No direct experience. I went to the booth of Bergger at the Photokina show and collected a print made on a 2200 with UC inks. Only available in sheet sizes. Quality is at the level of the Hahnemuhle, Hawk Mountain Condor papers. The black in the print measures 1.56 Dmax, paper PN33 High Definition Fine Art, rather rough texture and creamy colour. Do not know what driver they used for that print. I think the Innova papers are a bit better than that category but lack a bit of the feel of good art papers. But the last are far cheaper though. I also talked with the people of Arjo Wiggens, Canson-Arches papers and asked why they couldn't make a similar quality to the Bergger coating. They admitted that Bergger used their stock but said that the quantity the company makes isn't very high and in all they were a bit denigrating the firm. I still am waiting for the ArjoWiggens new paper samples that I had asked for at the booth and later on by phone in Belgium (their representation in the Netherlands is nill if one asks for inkjet paper). The samples they showed at the booth were not as good as Bergger's but I was interested in a new thick passepartout paper for inkjet printing. Strange to see a small firm deliver better coatings than an international paper giant like ArjoWiggins. Ernst Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
2005-01-20 by Ernst Dinkla
Jos\ufffd Miguel Ferreira wrote: > Ernst, > > Thanks for the info. Which one of the Hahnem\ufffdhle papers the Bergger paper > felt like? And why did Arches say that Bergger was denigrating the firm? > > Jos\ufffd Bergger has 2 papers. The PN33 I have here is close in colour to the HM Albrecht Duerer but the PN33 texture is slightly rougher. Sorry, the Arches people didn't show much respect for Bergger. Ernst
2005-01-20 by B. Campbell
> > Also, what's the difference between "Hot Press" and "Cold Press" coating, > > besides the temperature, obviously.... :-) In the manufacturing process paper is passed through calendering rollers. These rollers level and smooth its surface. Papers that have been calendered with hot rollers have a very smooth surface and are called hot press papers. Cold press papers are calendered under cold rollers and have a slightly textured surface. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernst Dinkla" <E.Dinkla@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Bergger paper > > Jos\ufffd Miguel Ferreira wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Any experience with Bergger paper? They produce wonderful paper for the wet > > darkroom. It seems like it's their own coating on Arches 300g/m2 mould-made > > cotton paper... > > > > It's kind of expensive, so any info from users would be nice before ordering > > it. > > > > Here's their link: http://www.bergger.com/introusa.htm > > > > Also, what's the difference between "Hot Press" and "Cold Press" coating, > > besides the temperature, obviously.... :-) > > > > Thanks! > > Jos\ufffd > > No direct experience. I went to the booth of Bergger at the > Photokina show and collected a print made on a 2200 with UC > inks. Only available in sheet sizes. Quality is at the level > of the Hahnemuhle, Hawk Mountain Condor papers. The black in > the print measures 1.56 Dmax, paper PN33 High Definition Fine > Art, rather rough texture and creamy colour. Do not know what > driver they used for that print. I think the Innova papers are > a bit better than that category but lack a bit of the feel of > good art papers. But the last are far cheaper though. > > I also talked with the people of Arjo Wiggens, Canson-Arches > papers and asked why they couldn't make a similar quality to > the Bergger coating. They admitted that Bergger used their > stock but said that the quantity the company makes isn't very > high and in all they were a bit denigrating the firm. I still > am waiting for the ArjoWiggens new paper samples that I had > asked for at the booth and later on by phone in Belgium (their > representation in the Netherlands is nill if one asks for > inkjet paper). The samples they showed at the booth were not > as good as Bergger's but I was interested in a new thick > passepartout paper for inkjet printing. Strange to see a small > firm deliver better coatings than an international paper giant > like ArjoWiggins. > > Ernst > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
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2005-01-20 by José Miguel Ferreira
Hamish, B., Thanks for the info. José
-----Original Message----- From: Hamish Stewart [mailto:hamish.stewart@...] Sent: jeudi, 20. janvier 2005 00:02 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Bergger paper Hot Press paper has a smoother finish, which is created by passing the paper sheet through heated rollers. Cold Pressed is where the paper is passed through cold rollers. Cold Pressed is also often classified as NOT and will have a rougher texture than hot pressed paper. Depending on the manufacturer cold pressed surfaces can often have a noticeable texture which won't suit everyone's taste. You might also find that the hot pressed paper prints with a little more detail than the cold pressed or NOT Regards Hamish Hamish Stewart Gum Bichromate Photographer - http://www.gumphoto.co.uk On 19/1/05 18:01, "José Miguel Ferreira" <jmf@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Any experience with Bergger paper? They produce wonderful paper for the wet > darkroom. It seems like it's their own coating on Arches 300g/m2 mould-made > cotton paper... > > It's kind of expensive, so any info from users would be nice before ordering > it. > > Here's their link: http://www.bergger.com/introusa.htm > > Also, what's the difference between "Hot Press" and "Cold Press" coating, > besides the temperature, obviously.... :-) > > Thanks! > José > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. 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2005-01-20 by donbga
> The black in > the print measures 1.56 Dmax, paper PN33 High Definition Fine > Art, rather rough texture and creamy colour. The PN32 is the smooth surface equivalent and has a similar DMAX. You can purchase sample packs of their papers to test drive. Don Bryant
2005-01-20 by José Miguel Ferreira
Thanks. The local - and only - distributor of Bergger will receive them next week. Hopefully they will receive a folder with the different paper types. José
-----Original Message----- From: donbga [mailto:dstevenbryant@mindspring.com] Sent: jeudi, 20. janvier 2005 15:36 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Bergger paper > The black in > the print measures 1.56 Dmax, paper PN33 High Definition Fine > Art, rather rough texture and creamy colour. The PN32 is the smooth surface equivalent and has a similar DMAX. You can purchase sample packs of their papers to test drive. Don Bryant Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
2005-01-22 by agnephoto
Hi I live in France and can test these paper two years before ,in the same time I got olso Arche paper, the PN32 and the Arche look simalar when handling - very good - but the printing surface is a little bit different and when printing the Arche show like some fog in the black that the Bergger have not,I try a lot of art paper and now I only using the Bergger PN32 for my exibition work it is for me the best paper I find at the moment. regards --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, José Miguel Ferreira <jmf@j...> wrote: > Hi all, > > Any experience with Bergger paper? They produce wonderful paper for the wet > darkroom. It seems like it's their own coating on Arches 300g/m2 mould-made > cotton paper... >