Digital BW, The Print

I have not been following the group for the last few months so I 
don't know if this has been discussed but I am having nothing but 
trouble with a newer cis sysytem for the 1280 I purchased from MIS. 
Previously I had been using a CIS that had kind of a wand that 
suspended the tubing over the print head-for about a year trouble 
free. Because of a blocked black I replaced the whole system with a 
unit from MIS that has kind of a plastic bridge  that holds the 
tubing over the head. Nothing but trouble- jets glogging yellow goes 
out-black jams then they all reappear for a few prints and start 
disappearing again. I'm beginning to think over all that this is a 
really inferior system. Ay one else having problems with MIS cis?
UT2 on a 1280. Already on a second set of carts in less than 5 
months...
Jack

Jack,

I think the problem that the 1280's have is that they are a dye ink 
printer and the pigment inks don't work well in that printer after a 
while.

Send a post to Paul. He'll be able to answer that question, I'm sure.

Scott


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jnhugo" 
<jacknadelle@h...> wrote:
> 
> I have not been following the group for the last few months so I 
> don't know if this has been discussed but I am having nothing but 
> trouble with a newer cis sysytem for the 1280 I purchased from MIS. 
> Previously I had been using a CIS that had kind of a wand that 
> suspended the tubing over the print head-for about a year trouble 
> free. Because of a blocked black I replaced the whole system with a 
> unit from MIS that has kind of a plastic bridge  that holds the 
> tubing over the head. Nothing but trouble- jets glogging yellow 
goes 

> out-black jams then they all reappear for a few prints and start 
> disappearing again. I'm beginning to think over all that this is a 
> really inferior system. Ay one else having problems with MIS cis?
> UT2 on a 1280. Already on a second set of carts in less than 5 
> months...
> Jack

Hm.  I've been running the CIS from MIS in my 1280, with the UT2 set for 
about 2 months now.  No problems at all, and I only print every other 
day (I purposely hold off on printig so I can keep that schedule up).

I had been using the UT2 carts in the printer for over a year befor 
that, no clogging as of yet.  In fact, I haven' had any clogs at all 
taht required more than 2 cleanings to clear.

allan

scott_now_coming wrote:
> 
> Jack,
> 
> I think the problem that the 1280's have is that they are a dye ink 
> printer and the pigment inks don't work well in that printer after a 
> while.
> 
> Send a post to Paul. He'll be able to answer that question, I'm sure.
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jnhugo" 
> <jacknadelle@h...> wrote:
> 
>>I have not been following the group for the last few months so I 
>>don't know if this has been discussed but I am having nothing but 
>>trouble with a newer cis sysytem for the 1280 I purchased from MIS. 
>>Previously I had been using a CIS that had kind of a wand that 
>>suspended the tubing over the print head-for about a year trouble 
>>free. Because of a blocked black I replaced the whole system with a 
>>unit from MIS that has kind of a plastic bridge  that holds the 
>>tubing over the head. Nothing but trouble- jets glogging yellow 
> 
> goes 
> 
>>out-black jams then they all reappear for a few prints and start 
>>disappearing again. I'm beginning to think over all that this is a 
>>really inferior system. Ay one else having problems with MIS cis?
>>UT2 on a 1280. Already on a second set of carts in less than 5 
>>months...
>>Jack
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Jack,

I've been using MIS CIS systems for about 3 years on an 1160 that's still
going, a 1200 whose printhead died (completely, unrelated to the CIS
or the
ink). Now I'm using a Niagara III with MIS 7600 inks. I only went with the
Niagara because MIS waited too long to put out their version.

In every instance where I've had problems it has been because of faulty
filling back when MIS suggested top filling the carts and that was due
to air at the
discharge port - so called "clogging".

Way back then, I told them that a suction fill, such as they now suggest,
would be better and I described my method to them and on the web, in
detail.
The single most important thing I suggest is that you suck the ink through
the outlet port using a bottom fill adaptor on a 10 cc syringe and do it
repeatedly until you get nothing but liquid ink a couple of times - NO
FOAM,
or very little. Just squirt the ink/foam back into the reservoir
bottle, the
foam stays on top, breaks down shortly and you get a full load of
liquid ink
in the cart and the merest residue of air that is of no concern. Hold the
cart upside down as you do this to encourage the foam to float to the
discharge port so you can get as much out as possible. MIS's vacuum fill
amounts to the same thing, but I still suggest that you pull a few
syringe-fulls of ink through the cart after you've opened the ink tube. At
one time I even pumped the ink back and forth through the cart/tube
system a
couple of times to try to dislodge as much foam as possible, but
that's not
necessary with the vac-fill method.

Lastly, make sure the ink level in the cart is right up to the discharge
port - holding the cart upside-down you should see the ink right up to
the port level (move the cart
up and down relative to the reservoir and you might see some bubbles
come out,
too). When the level is up to the max, either put the cart right onto the
print head as quickly as possible or clamp the tube again to stop the ink
from draining out of the cart as you maneuver it into place and open
the clamp after it is fully seated. When I do this I almost always get
a perfect
nozzle check immediately, no purging and rarely do I even have to wait an
hour or so for the ink to flood the port. A bubble lodged in the port will
give you a "clog".

Good luck,

Frank

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "njfranknj" 
<kolwicz@e...> wrote:
> 
> Jack,
> 
> I've been using MIS CIS systems for about 3 years on an 1160 
that's still
> going, a 1200 whose printhead died (completely, unrelated to the 
CIS

Thanks for the long reply- I think I know what you are talking about 
but not sure...My previous cis I think was a niagra and I had almost 
no problem with it. I replaced it with the unit Mis sales now and 
the carts came attached to the tubes, pre-filled, and theoretically 
ready to go. On my first clog I had a complete no black ink 
situation- Mis suggested it might be foam and described a fix 
similar to what you describe- I was unable to draw ink thru the 
bottom of the cart- I must have been doing it wrong but there was no 
way for me to pull ink from the bottom-it was as if i put my finger 
tip on the syringe and tried to pull air thru my skin-
nothing...could not get the syringe plunger to even draw...
I wound up replacing the carts and tubes with another pre filled set 
up and now within a month the yellow position is missing...all other 
positions are fuctioning -mostly- they show up on a nozzle check and 
then disappear again...I'll study your reply- I must be missing 
something..thanks again
Jack

MIS has an excellent section on their website about how to deal with
"clogs" in a CIS. Read it, follow it. Don't skip any steps, especially
those that deal with replacing the CIS carts with a new dye ink cart.
I'd bet that is going to solve your problems. 

Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jnhugo"
<jacknadelle@h...> wrote:

> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "njfranknj" 
> <kolwicz@e...> wrote:
> > 
> > Jack,
> > 
> > I've been using MIS CIS systems for about 3 years on an 1160 
> that's still
> > going, a 1200 whose printhead died (completely, unrelated to the 
> CIS
> 
> Thanks for the long reply- I think I know what you are talking about 
> but not sure...My previous cis I think was a niagra and I had almost 
> no problem with it. I replaced it with the unit Mis sales now and 
> the carts came attached to the tubes, pre-filled, and theoretically 
> ready to go. On my first clog I had a complete no black ink 
> situation- Mis suggested it might be foam and described a fix 
> similar to what you describe- I was unable to draw ink thru the 
> bottom of the cart- I must have been doing it wrong but there was no 
> way for me to pull ink from the bottom-it was as if i put my finger 
> tip on the syringe and tried to pull air thru my skin-
> nothing...could not get the syringe plunger to even draw...
> I wound up replacing the carts and tubes with another pre filled set 
> up and now within a month the yellow position is missing...all other 
> positions are fuctioning -mostly- they show up on a nozzle check and 
> then disappear again...I'll study your reply- I must be missing 
> something..thanks again
> Jack

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Michaels" <
bob@b...> wrote:
> 
> MIS has an excellent section on their website about how to deal with
> "clogs" in a CIS. Read it, follow it. Don't skip any steps, especially
> those that deal with replacing the CIS carts with a new dye ink cart.
> I'd bet that is going to solve your problems. 
> 


Thanks for the response- I have read the MIS trouble shooting page- I'll try 
again fresh tomorrow!! My inks have been in the bottles apprx 6 months--I 
wonder if they might be settling out and becoming sludgy on the bottom on 
the bottle where the tubes lie??
Thanks again =I'll keep you posted on progress.
Jack

"jnhugo"  wrote:
> On my first clog I had a complete no black ink 
> situation- 

> I wound up replacing the carts and tubes with another pre filled set 
> up

Hi Jack,

You are not alone. I recently installed MIS' CFS in a new 1280 and had the same problem 
with zero black ink coming out of the black head. Epson carts work fine by the way.

MIS sent me a pre charged black cart and tube...but I have not installed it as I really don't 
want to tape the new tube to the existing tubes. I might just pull the tube on the cart and 
install just the cart. But I'll make sure the original tube is not clogged.

I have three NoMoreCarts CIS' still working fine after many years of use and I think the MIS 
CFS is lacking in refinement. I believe MIS' bracket that holds the ribbon tubes is too low 
and needs to be about an inch or two higher as the tubes rub against the bottom of the 
printer which could lead to jamming if the silicon spray on the tubes wear off.

I've tried all CIS systems I had knowledge of, MIS, Niagara-III and
lately from inkRepublic. They are all way overpriced, the Niagara-III
being the most so (and copyrighted, mind you) and the one from MIS
having the worst design. I ended up with the support for the tubes
from Niagara and the cartridges from inkRepublic which make the most
sense and are well designed. In this age one would expect that
designing such a device would not be such a big deal, we shoot
digitally but are unable to invent a decent functional CIS system. 
I guess it's in the culture.

Andu

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "- andu -" <
px3n120x@y...> wrote:
> 
> I've tried all CIS systems I had knowledge of, MIS, Niagara-III and
> lately from inkRepublic. They are all way overpriced, the Niagara-III
> being the most so (and copyrighted, mind you) 

I'm glad I posted this problem-it was hard to believe that I was alone with this 
poorly functioning device- the stock answer from MIS-regarding foam build up 
doesn't make sense after only 2 months of use. Actually it makes sense in 
terms of poor design but not in terms of the natural characteristic of ink.
Speaking of over priced I am tempted to go with the Piezo ICC iquads 
solution..really expensive but I don't see post in that group regarding similar 
problems..only set-up, soft proofing and print dialog issues. 
I think Paul Roark is an amazing talent and generous mentor-but the ink 
delivery systems that support his efforts are less than ideal.
I'll probably get some stock epson carts today for the 1280 and see if the 
nozzle check revieves-

Before you spend the money on their system - request sample prints from the Piezo 
people and make sure you feel their output has the look you desire.  We all have different 
opinions of what looks great - for example I received their samples but found their look is 
not for me.

Just a suggestion for a newbie. 

-Lynn 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jnhugo" <jacknadelle@h...> 
wrote:

> Speaking of over priced I am tempted to go with the Piezo ICC iquads 
> solution..really expensive but I don't see post in that group regarding similar 
> problems..only set-up, soft proofing and print dialog issues.

As with the 2200 and C86, I'm hoping the easy-refill cartridges make the
CIS/CFS a non-issue.  I don't use them.  If the easy-refill carts don't
appear soon for the 1280 I'm about to pull all support for the printer.
Once you use one of these easy-refill carts, you won't want to bother with
the alternatives.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: jnhugo [mailto:jacknadelle@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:37 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 1280 CIS from mis



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "- andu -" <
px3n120x@y...> wrote:
> 
> I've tried all CIS systems I had knowledge of, MIS, Niagara-III and
> lately from inkRepublic. They are all way overpriced, the Niagara-III
> being the most so (and copyrighted, mind you) 

I'm glad I posted this problem-it was hard to believe that I was alone with
this 
poorly functioning device- the stock answer from MIS-regarding foam build up

doesn't make sense after only 2 months of use. Actually it makes sense in 
terms of poor design but not in terms of the natural characteristic of ink.
Speaking of over priced I am tempted to go with the Piezo ICC iquads 
solution..really expensive but I don't see post in that group regarding
similar 
problems..only set-up, soft proofing and print dialog issues. 
I think Paul Roark is an amazing talent and generous mentor-but the ink 
delivery systems that support his efforts are less than ideal.
I'll probably get some stock epson carts today for the 1280 and see if the 
nozzle check revieves-






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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pfictionpfledgling" <
contax@s...> wrote:
> 

> not for me.
> 
> Just a suggestion for a newbie. 
> 
> -Lynn 
> 

Thanks for the suggestion-actually my first printing experiences with quad inks 
was with the original piezo inks-but there was a warm fade problem that was 
not attractive and a migratory black problem that was significant- I switched to 
MIS inks, the full spectrum, using the piezo plug, and printed for a long time 
with no ink delivery problems-I found the inks attractive enough (I still compare 
prints to good silver prints) and thought the UT2's looked good and like being 
able to use the epson driver....my only complaint now is the CIS that MIS is 
selling...if it's a problem with the delivery system probably a better system is all 
that's needed..if it is the inks than a change of inks is the solution. Not exactely 
a newbie-but I guess we can all still learn stuff...
Jack

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <
paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> As with the 2200 and C86, I'm hoping the easy-refill cartridges make the
> CIS/CFS a non-issue.  I don't use them.  If the easy-refill carts don't
> appear soon for the 1280 I'm about to pull all support for the printer.
> Once you use one of these easy-refill carts, you won't want to bother with
> the alternatives.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 

 That's what I wanted to hear-Thanks Paul-you are the best!!
Jack

I agree completely.  CFS stands for "mess" and precludes you from
swapping/trying other ink setups.  I have an MIS CFS for my 2100.  Trying to
swap to PK is a PITA.  I have subsequently bought the refillable cartridges
and can now swap between a dedicated B&W setup and colour in a heartbeat.

> From: Paul Roark <paul.roark@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:24:35 -0800
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: 1280 CIS from mis
> 
> 
> As with the 2200 and C86, I'm hoping the easy-refill cartridges make the
> CIS/CFS a non-issue.  I don't use them.  If the easy-refill carts don't
> appear soon for the 1280 I'm about to pull all support for the printer.
> Once you use one of these easy-refill carts, you won't want to bother with
> the alternatives.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Jack, 

That "for a newbie" was a COMPLETE TYPO. 

That should have read: "Just a suggestion FROM a newbie"

I am the newbie. You all have more experience in actually using these systems. I make no 
claims of having expertise in execution of printing archivally. 

My apologies for what seemed like a dig because of my missing letter between FOR and 
FROM. 

Best regards, 
-Lynn << The NEWBIE

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jnhugo" <jacknadelle@h...> 
wrote:

> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pfictionpfledgling" <
> contax@s...> wrote:
> > 
> 
> > not for me.
> > 
> > Just a suggestion for a newbie. 
> > 
> > -Lynn 
> > 
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion-actually my first printing experiences with quad inks 
> was with the original piezo inks-but there was a warm fade problem that was 
> not attractive and a migratory black problem that was significant- I switched to 
> MIS inks, the full spectrum, using the piezo plug, and printed for a long time 
> with no ink delivery problems-I found the inks attractive enough (I still compare 
> prints to good silver prints) and thought the UT2's looked good and like being 
> able to use the epson driver....my only complaint now is the CIS that MIS is 
> selling...if it's a problem with the delivery system probably a better system is all 
> that's needed..if it is the inks than a change of inks is the solution. Not exactely 
> a newbie-but I guess we can all still learn stuff...
> Jack

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pfictionpfledgling" <
contax@s...> wrote:
> 
> Jack, 
> 
> That "for a newbie" was a COMPLETE TYPO. 
> 
> That should have read: "Just a suggestion FROM a newbie"
> 


Newbie or not it IS a really good suggestion to get sample prints before 
spending a ton of money on something you might find out,after the fact, is 
unacceptable and not what you wanted- I was seriuos:thanks for the 
suggestion!
Jack

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
"jnhugo" <jacknadelle@h...> wrote:
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
"pfictionpfledgling" <
> contax@s...> wrote:
> > 
> > Jack, 
> > 
> > That "for a newbie" was a COMPLETE TYPO. 
> > 
> > That should have read: "Just a suggestion FROM a newbie"
> > 
> 
> 
> Newbie or not it IS a really good suggestion to get sample 
prints before 
> spending a ton of money on something you might find out,after 
the fact, is 
> unacceptable and not what you wanted- I was seriuos:thanks 
for the 
> suggestion!
> Jack

I am waiting for some paint to dry so I thought I would go on with 
this post...by the way you probably noticed all the typos I make!!
When I first started fine inkjet printing I was lucky in that a 
Photographer named Phil Bard was at that time liviing in 
Pasadena,CA. He was and still is very knowledgable in all this 
stuff. I called him on the phone and he invited me over to look at 
his studio. He showed my some unbelievably beautiful prints of 
his photographs printed with Piezo inks. He suggested a place 
for me to have some negatives scanned properly and than 
showed me some techniques in photoshop that helped him 
achieve the quality of the work...and than he adjusted my scans 
and made beatiful prints of my shots at a ridiculously low price-
All just to show me the potential of the new medium..well I was 
sold and have been struggling ever since. I think it is very difficult 
to achieve good results when everything matters. Good 
negatives, good scans, proper adjustments in photoshop, 
monitor calibration, soft proof correct, the right paper and ink 
combination. That's why having to suck out tubes every other 
month is such a pain....
The generosity of some people and the value of discussion 
groups like this is an incredible resource and I love it.
Jack

> The generosity of some people and the value of discussion 
> groups like this is an incredible resource and I love it.
> Jack

I agree with Jack. I'm having a problem with the MIS system right 
now but I hope it gets resolved. In the meantime, I've found this 
group to be very supportive and helpful and the information here is 
invaluable.

-Jim

Are MIS easy-refill carts usable with the Piezotone inks?
I noticed they have a foam filter inside.
What is the difference between those refillable cartridges and the bladderless type like 
MediaStreet?
One better over the other?
Does anyone recommend the refill-cartridge type for the 2200 ?

Carl



Ive got a 2200 and am looking for a cost-effective way of using bulk ink sets.
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> As with the 2200 and C86, I'm hoping the easy-refill cartridges make the
> CIS/CFS a non-issue.  I don't use them.  If the easy-refill carts don't
> appear soon for the 1280 I'm about to pull all support for the printer.
> Once you use one of these easy-refill carts, you won't want to bother with
> the alternatives.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jnhugo [mailto:jacknadelle@h...] 
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:37 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 1280 CIS from mis
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "- andu -" <
> px3n120x@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > I've tried all CIS systems I had knowledge of, MIS, Niagara-III and
> > lately from inkRepublic. They are all way overpriced, the Niagara-III
> > being the most so (and copyrighted, mind you) 
> 
> I'm glad I posted this problem-it was hard to believe that I was alone with
> this 
> poorly functioning device- the stock answer from MIS-regarding foam build up
> 
> doesn't make sense after only 2 months of use. Actually it makes sense in 
> terms of poor design but not in terms of the natural characteristic of ink.
> Speaking of over priced I am tempted to go with the Piezo ICC iquads 
> solution..really expensive but I don't see post in that group regarding
> similar 
> problems..only set-up, soft proofing and print dialog issues. 
> I think Paul Roark is an amazing talent and generous mentor-but the ink 
> delivery systems that support his efforts are less than ideal.
> I'll probably get some stock epson carts today for the 1280 and see if the 
> nozzle check revieves-
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Carl,

You wrote:

>Are MIS easy-refill carts usable with the Piezotone inks?

I would think so.  

>I noticed they have a foam filter inside.
>What is the difference between those refillable cartridges 
>and the bladderless type like MediaStreet?

I've never used the Media Street versions.

>Does anyone recommend the refill-cartridge type for the 2200 ?

The MIS easy-refill work well with the 2200.

I have not yet received the 1280 easy-refill carts.  MIS says they seem to
be working well in their test. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Paul,

Thank you for the quick reply.
Im give it a try with the Piezotones.
Ill keep you posted on the use.

Regards,
Carl


ps are you using QTR?
     I would like to use it with the piezotones but
dont know how to create a profile for these inks.


--- Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:

> Carl,
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> >Are MIS easy-refill carts usable with the Piezotone
> inks?
> 
> I would think so.  
> 
> >I noticed they have a foam filter inside.
> >What is the difference between those refillable
> cartridges 
> >and the bladderless type like MediaStreet?
> 
> I've never used the Media Street versions.
> 
> >Does anyone recommend the refill-cartridge type for
> the 2200 ?
> 
> The MIS easy-refill work well with the 2200.
> 
> I have not yet received the 1280 easy-refill carts. 
> MIS says they seem to
> be working well in their test. 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 


		
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