Mac vs. PC
2005-01-22 by darryll48
This subject is getting tiring. Pick whatever you like, but for me, and I have Windows pcs and Mac, there is no comparison. Mac OS X. Extremely fast, NO crashes or frozen screens. Now please, go make pictures.
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Mac vs. PC
Mac vs. PC
2005-07-08 by dwardphd@aol.com
I've used them both for many years and for graphics applications I find Mac clearly superior, though significantly more expensive (obviously). The 30" lcd monitor was $3600 when I purchased it, and that didn't include the $600 video card needed to drive it. (The monitor has dropped to around $3000, and the new G5's include the necessary video card, but this is still an expensive set-up.) Then again, Ferraris cost more than Fords. Windows has improved greatly in its many iterations, but the Mac OS is more stable (I have been unable to get OS X to crash) and, I think, much easier to use. I like not have to worry about viruses with the Mac, and I've had wonderful experiences with Apple support when needed. There are some RIPs that aren't supported for Mac, and a few other relevant programs, but I've not been at all limited in finding appropriate software for the Mac. In informal speed comparisons running Photoshop, the Mac G5 2.5ghz is noticeably speedier than any Windows machine I've encountered. Apple's chip change shouldn't affect much at all in terms of what users will see on the screen---the differences between the Mac OS and Windows aren't primarily chip-dependent. I think that the platform differences are becoming less significant as Windows catches up, though Mac still has an edge when it comes to graphics applications. And, according to Consumer Reports, the hardware reliability of Macs is better than PCs. 2 cents worth. David Ward David V. Ward Fine Art Photography www.dvward.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Mac vs. PC
2005-07-08 by Clayton Jones
Can someone please tell me where the Forum on B&W Digital Printing is? It seems to have moved somewhere else. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Mac vs. PC
2005-07-08 by Paul Roark
It's a fair question whether digital capture should be part of this forum. I'd say it should, to the extent it relates to B&W, because we can't make a good B&W print without good input information. Digital capture appears to be the future, whether we like it or not. (And I may be in the "not" group, but feel no choice but to learn and master B&W digital capture.) Paul www.PaulRoark.com
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> -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clayton > Jones > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 7:09 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Mac vs. PC > > Can someone please tell me where the Forum on B&W Digital Printing is? > It seems to have moved somewhere else. > > Regards, > Clayton > > > Info on black and white digital printing at > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files > section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Mac vs. PC
2005-07-08 by Steve Kale
Agreed for the same reasons scanners have been (and are less commonly lately) discussed.
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> From: Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> > > It's a fair question whether digital capture should be part of this forum. > I'd say it should, to the extent it relates to B&W, because we can't make a > good B&W print without good input information. Digital capture appears to > be the future, whether we like it or not. (And I may be in the "not" group, > but feel no choice but to learn and master B&W digital capture.) > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clayton >> Jones >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 7:09 AM >> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Mac vs. PC >> >> Can someone please tell me where the Forum on B&W Digital Printing is? >> It seems to have moved somewhere else. >> >> Regards, >> Clayton
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Mac vs. PC
2005-07-08 by Steve Kale
Woops I think we posted to the wrong thread.
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> From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:29:33 +0100 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Mac vs. PC > > Agreed for the same reasons scanners have been (and are less commonly > lately) discussed. > > >> From: Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> > >> >> It's a fair question whether digital capture should be part of this forum. >> I'd say it should, to the extent it relates to B&W, because we can't make a >> good B&W print without good input information. Digital capture appears to >> be the future, whether we like it or not. (And I may be in the "not" group, >> but feel no choice but to learn and master B&W digital capture.) >> >> Paul >> www.PaulRoark.com >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clayton >>> Jones >>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 7:09 AM >>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Mac vs. PC >>> >>> Can someone please tell me where the Forum on B&W Digital Printing is? >>> It seems to have moved somewhere else. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Clayton > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership > without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the > membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See „Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines‰ in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE „OWNER‰ AND > „MODERATORS‰ OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, > USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE „OWNER‰ AND „MODERATORS‰ OF > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
[Digital BW] Re: Mac vs. PC
2005-07-08 by Clayton Jones
Paul, >It's a fair question whether digital capture should be part of >this forum. I'd say it should, to the extent it relates to B&W, >because we can't make a good B&W print without good input >information. Digital capture appears to be the future, whether >we like it or not. (And I may be in the "not" group, but feel >no choice but to learn and master B&W digital capture.) I agree to a point, and the important part of your statement is "to the extent it relates to B&W". I enjoy and learn from and participate in these threads to some degree. The problem, as we have seen from time to time, is that it takes some awareness, discretion and self-discipline not to let it get out of hand (qualities which sadly seem to be lacking in many). Once started, these threads tend to go on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on - way beyond their original relevence, and they crowd out other threads to the point that the forum begins to resemble those on dpreview and other places. Think how many times we have someone comment on how nice this forum is, how different, how friendly, how high-level, how informative - the implication being how UNLIKE other forums it is. People who troll those other forums don't stay here long because their troll needs aren't satisfied (thank goodness). But if this trend continues then those types will begin hanging around and it will only get worse and spiral downward. It doesn't take much. We have already lost a few key contributors, people with many years experience and much to offer, who seldom if ever show up any more due to trends on this forum over the past months. We really don't need debates on 35mm lenses vs digital lenses, D70 vs D2x, full frame vs APS, CMOS vs CCD, Canon vs Nikon, Mac vs PC, and on and on forever. Everything that can possibly be said on those subjects has already been said forty thousand gazillion times on the other forums. We have a treasure here and I think we all need to use some restraint to preserve what we have. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Mac vs. PC
2005-07-08 by Steve Kale
Judging from his post I think Paul intended to respond to your identical post in the thread "Digital vs scan for BW Print" where, in my opinion, valid issues are being discussed.
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> From: Clayton Jones <cj@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 16:49:23 -0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Mac vs. PC > > Paul, > >> It's a fair question whether digital capture should be part of >> this forum. I'd say it should, to the extent it relates to B&W, >> because we can't make a good B&W print without good input >> information. Digital capture appears to be the future, whether >> we like it or not. (And I may be in the "not" group, but feel >> no choice but to learn and master B&W digital capture.) > > I agree to a point, and the important part of your statement is "to > the extent it relates to B&W". I enjoy and learn from and participate > in these threads to some degree. The problem, as we have seen from > time to time, is that it takes some awareness, discretion and > self-discipline not to let it get out of hand (qualities which sadly > seem to be lacking in many). Once started, these threads tend to go > on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on > on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on > on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on > on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on > on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on > on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on on and on > on and on - way beyond their original relevence, and they crowd out > other threads to the point that the forum begins to resemble those on > dpreview and other places. > > Think how many times we have someone comment on how nice this forum > is, how different, how friendly, how high-level, how informative - the > implication being how UNLIKE other forums it is. People who troll > those other forums don't stay here long because their troll needs > aren't satisfied (thank goodness). But if this trend continues then > those types will begin hanging around and it will only get worse and > spiral downward. It doesn't take much. We have already lost a few > key contributors, people with many years experience and much to offer, > who seldom if ever show up any more due to trends on this forum over > the past months. > > We really don't need debates on 35mm lenses vs digital lenses, D70 vs > D2x, full frame vs APS, CMOS vs CCD, Canon vs Nikon, Mac vs PC, and on > and on forever. Everything that can possibly be said on those > subjects has already been said forty thousand gazillion times on the > other forums. > > We have a treasure here and I think we all need to use some restraint > to preserve what we have. > > > Regards, > Clayton > > > Info on black and white digital printing at > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership > without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the > membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See ³Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines² in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE ³OWNER² AND > ³MODERATORS² OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, > USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE ³OWNER² AND ³MODERATORS² OF > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >