Digital BW, The Print

Hey All,

OK after a number of years using FS based custom inks on my 1280, I 
am experimenting with QTR on a 2200.  I must say it is the easiest 
new b/w system I have ever used.  Excellent work Roy and Stephen.

I prefer my prints on either side of "neutral" but not dead-nuts 
neutral.  I love the warm curves of QTR, but am less than satified 
with the CoolSe curves.  Here is my issue - I believe I may be more 
senstive to magenta than most, so this is not a generalization.  How 
do I modify the CoolSe, or create my own curves so that there is just 
a hint of less magenta and more cyan ink layed down?  I have tried 
various blends of Cool, CoolSe, and Warm curves, but still, on the 
cool side of neutral, the magnta is annoying me. 

I dont have any profiling experience, but have access to an EyeOne 
system, and have spents tons of time creating adjustment curves for 
linearization.

Thank you for your help.  It is good to be back exprimenting after so 
long just making satisfactory prints.

Regards

Shilesh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh Jani" 
<shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> 
> Hey All,
> 
> OK after a number of years using FS based custom inks on my 1280, I 
> am experimenting with QTR on a 2200.  I must say it is the easiest 
> new b/w system I have ever used.  Excellent work Roy and Stephen.
> 
> I prefer my prints on either side of "neutral" but not dead-nuts 
> neutral.  I love the warm curves of QTR, but am less than satified 
> with the CoolSe curves.  Here is my issue - I believe I may be more 
> senstive to magenta than most, so this is not a generalization.  How 
> do I modify the CoolSe, or create my own curves so that there is just 
> a hint of less magenta and more cyan ink layed down?  I have tried 
> various blends of Cool, CoolSe, and Warm curves, but still, on the 
> cool side of neutral, the magnta is annoying me. 
> 
> I dont have any profiling experience, but have access to an EyeOne 
> system, and have spents tons of time creating adjustment curves for 
> linearization.
> 
> Thank you for your help.  It is good to be back exprimenting after so 
> long just making satisfactory prints.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Shilesh

Hi Shilesh,

The curve making stuff on windows is just about ready to try.
The coolSe has a little bit more magenta than the cool.   It would be
quite simple to just go the other way -- decrease magenta and increase
cyan.   It can be done with just the ink limits.

Roy

Shilesh,

What inks are you using in the 2200, and how do you like it compared
to the 1280?

-Pieris

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh Jani"
<shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:

> 
> Hey All,
> 
> OK after a number of years using FS based custom inks on my 1280, I 
> am experimenting with QTR on a 2200.  I must say it is the easiest 
> new b/w system I have ever used.  Excellent work Roy and Stephen.
> 
> I prefer my prints on either side of "neutral" but not dead-nuts 
> neutral.  I love the warm curves of QTR, but am less than satified 
> with the CoolSe curves.  Here is my issue - I believe I may be more 
> senstive to magenta than most, so this is not a generalization.  How 
> do I modify the CoolSe, or create my own curves so that there is just 
> a hint of less magenta and more cyan ink layed down?  I have tried 
> various blends of Cool, CoolSe, and Warm curves, but still, on the 
> cool side of neutral, the magnta is annoying me. 
> 
> I dont have any profiling experience, but have access to an EyeOne 
> system, and have spents tons of time creating adjustment curves for 
> linearization.
> 
> Thank you for your help.  It is good to be back exprimenting after so 
> long just making satisfactory prints.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Shilesh

Thank you Roy,

How would I do it?  Or is it in the next vesion?  My download had 
some curves generation files for the 1280 and 1160 printers, but 
nothing for the 2200.  Could you send me one of those files for the 
2200 so I can modify the ink limits?

Shilesh

It would be
> quite simple to just go the other way -- decrease magenta and 
increase
> cyan.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington" 
<roy@h...> wrote:
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh Jani" 
> <shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hey All,
> > 
> > OK after a number of years using FS based custom inks on my 1280, 
I 
> > am experimenting with QTR on a 2200.  I must say it is the 
easiest 
> > new b/w system I have ever used.  Excellent work Roy and Stephen.
> > 
> > I prefer my prints on either side of "neutral" but not dead-nuts 
> > neutral.  I love the warm curves of QTR, but am less than 
satified 
> > with the CoolSe curves.  Here is my issue - I believe I may be 
more 
> > senstive to magenta than most, so this is not a generalization.  
How 
> > do I modify the CoolSe, or create my own curves so that there is 
just 
> > a hint of less magenta and more cyan ink layed down?  I have 
tried 
> > various blends of Cool, CoolSe, and Warm curves, but still, on 
the 
> > cool side of neutral, the magnta is annoying me. 
> > 
> > I dont have any profiling experience, but have access to an 
EyeOne 
> > system, and have spents tons of time creating adjustment curves 
for 
> > linearization.
> > 
> > Thank you for your help.  It is good to be back exprimenting 
after so 
> > long just making satisfactory prints.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Shilesh
> 
> Hi Shilesh,
> 
> The curve making stuff on windows is just about ready to try.
> The coolSe has a little bit more magenta than the cool.   It would 
be
> quite simple to just go the other way -- decrease magenta and 
increase

> cyan.   It can be done with just the ink limits.
> 
> Roy

Pieris,

2200 OEM inks with QTR has a slightly coarser dither in the 
highlights than my FS based 1280 using Epson driver.  But, that is 
not a function of the RIP, rather, the numbers of different shades on 
inks used.  So, if 4 shades of gray are used with QTR on the 2200 it 
will be even finer.  However, 2200 OEM inks+QTR is sufficient for all 
needs other than looking at prints with a 4X loupe.  And it is so 
easy!  My first print with it came out PERFECT!

Hope this helps.

Shilesh


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Pieris 
Berreitter" <pieris@y...> wrote:
> 
> Shilesh,
> 
> What inks are you using in the 2200, and how do you like it compared
> to the 1280?
> 
> -Pieris
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh Jani"
> <shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hey All,
> > 
> > OK after a number of years using FS based custom inks on my 1280, 
I 
> > am experimenting with QTR on a 2200.  I must say it is the 
easiest 
> > new b/w system I have ever used.  Excellent work Roy and Stephen.
> > 
> > I prefer my prints on either side of "neutral" but not dead-nuts 
> > neutral.  I love the warm curves of QTR, but am less than 
satified 
> > with the CoolSe curves.  Here is my issue - I believe I may be 
more 
> > senstive to magenta than most, so this is not a generalization.  
How 
> > do I modify the CoolSe, or create my own curves so that there is 
just 
> > a hint of less magenta and more cyan ink layed down?  I have 
tried 
> > various blends of Cool, CoolSe, and Warm curves, but still, on 
the 
> > cool side of neutral, the magnta is annoying me. 
> > 
> > I dont have any profiling experience, but have access to an 
EyeOne 
> > system, and have spents tons of time creating adjustment curves 
for 
> > linearization.
> > 
> > Thank you for your help.  It is good to be back exprimenting 
after so 

> > long just making satisfactory prints.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Shilesh

Oh, and one other thing:  QTR printing on 2200 is significantly 
faster than 1280 using Epson driver.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Pieris 
Berreitter" <pieris@y...> wrote:
> 
> Shilesh,
> 
> What inks are you using in the 2200, and how do you like it compared
> to the 1280?
> 
> -Pieris
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh Jani"
> <shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hey All,
> > 
> > OK after a number of years using FS based custom inks on my 1280, 
I 
> > am experimenting with QTR on a 2200.  I must say it is the 
easiest 
> > new b/w system I have ever used.  Excellent work Roy and Stephen.
> > 
> > I prefer my prints on either side of "neutral" but not dead-nuts 
> > neutral.  I love the warm curves of QTR, but am less than 
satified 
> > with the CoolSe curves.  Here is my issue - I believe I may be 
more 
> > senstive to magenta than most, so this is not a generalization.  
How 
> > do I modify the CoolSe, or create my own curves so that there is 
just 
> > a hint of less magenta and more cyan ink layed down?  I have 
tried 
> > various blends of Cool, CoolSe, and Warm curves, but still, on 
the 
> > cool side of neutral, the magnta is annoying me. 
> > 
> > I dont have any profiling experience, but have access to an 
EyeOne 
> > system, and have spents tons of time creating adjustment curves 
for 
> > linearization.
> > 
> > Thank you for your help.  It is good to be back exprimenting 
after so 

> > long just making satisfactory prints.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Shilesh