Digital BW, The Print

The new MIS PKN and UT7 LK neutral inks are performing very well in my  
Epson 4000 for both B&W and color.  I've tried PKN only printing with  
the Epson driver, PKN + LKN neutral profiles with both QTR and IJC/OPM,  
and PKN+LKN+LM+Y sepia profiles.  All yield a dmax of about 2.46 on  
Kirkland Signature Glossy paper.  I was surprised at how good the  
linearity was for the 4000 Epson driver printing BO with the PKN  
(compare density plots below for the linearized QTR PKN+LKN profile and  
Epson driver PKN only).  After making some adjustments in the LKN:LM:Y  
ratios I also have a very nice sepia tone with deep, rich blacks.  I'm  
still working with a mix of Epson UC inks in the color positions and  
MIS PKN and LKN so I won't  re-profile all my  papers for color until I  
have all inks switched over to the MIS UC equivalents.  However, I did  
print the Kirkland with a new RGB profile and colors were very close to  
the original prints with straight UC inks so I don't expect any  
problems printing color with the neutral PK and LK inks.  I'm also  
still evaluating different glop overlay application rates on the 4000  
prints by running them through my 2200 and printing with a glop only  
overlay profile.  My initial test were done with an IJC glop only  
profile (glop in 2200 LK slot) with glop ink limit set to 50%.  There  
was almost no bronzing and only some slight gloss differential to begin  
with on the Kirkland PKN prints and after glop application both  
bronzing and gloss differential were completely gone.  See last density  
plot below for post glop coated PKN+LKN print.  Slightly higher dmin  
from the glop but a terrific dmax boost to the highest dmax (2.602)  
I've ever obtained for any ink/paper combo and beautiful artifact free  
gloss finish.  I'm still considering my options for installing glop in  
the 4000 that will also enable me to print both B&W and color, but  
these prints are so good I'm leaning towards dumping matte paper  
printing completely and just using glop in the matte black slot for  
overcoating prints.  The matte prints on cotton rag with dmax levels in  
the 1.7 range just look dull and pathetically weak next to these new RC  
prints.

Carl

QTR Profile for PKN + LKN:
Step	Density
0	 0.053	**
5	 0.109	***
10	 0.168	*****
15	 0.234	******
20	 0.305	********
25	 0.369	**********
30	 0.444	************
35	 0.523	**************
40      0.607	****************
45	 0.687	******************
50	 0.786	********************
55	 0.893	***********************
60	 1.006	**************************
65	 1.130	*****************************
70	 1.263	********************************
75	 1.401	************************************
80	 1.567	****************************************
85	 1.740	********************************************
90	 1.907	************************************************
95	 2.161	*******************************************************
100	  
2.456	**************************************************************


Epson driver PKN only:
Step	Density
0	 0.051	**
5	 0.094	***
10	 0.147	****
15	 0.202	******
20	 0.268	*******
25	 0.328	*********
30	 0.404	***********
35	 0.463	************
40	 0.540	**************
45	 0.620	****************
50	 0.697	******************
55	 0.789	********************
60	 0.909	***********************
65	 1.022	**************************
70	 1.157	*****************************
75	 1.291	*********************************
80	 1.456	*************************************
85	 1.717	*******************************************
90	 1.928	*************************************************
95	 2.301	**********************************************************
100	  
2.456	**************************************************************


QTR Profile for PKN + LKN+GLOP overlay:
Step	Density
0	 0.061	**
5	 0.121	****
10	 0.181	*****
15	 0.244	*******
20	 0.313	********
25	 0.376	**********
30	 0.452	************
35	 0.527	**************
40	 0.608	****************
45	 0.686	******************
50	 0.780	********************
55	 0.882	***********************
60	 0.988	*************************
65	 1.108	****************************
70	 1.237	*******************************
75	 1.371	***********************************
80	 1.538	***************************************
85	 1.712	*******************************************
90	 1.886	************************************************
95	 2.131	******************************************************
100	  
2.602	 
******************************************************************

And if you can be bothered waxing the prints dMax may even go further....

My MIS order has shipped so maybe that means PKN is now available.  The
order was held up and I am hoping they were waiting for the ink.  Fingers
crossed...

> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:54:54 -0500
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Update on MIS PKN and LKN in the Epson 4000
> 
> 
> The new MIS PKN and UT7 LK neutral inks are performing very well in my
> Epson 4000 for both B&W and color.  I've tried PKN only printing with
> the Epson driver, PKN + LKN neutral profiles with both QTR and IJC/OPM,
> and PKN+LKN+LM+Y sepia profiles.  All yield a dmax of about 2.46 on
> Kirkland Signature Glossy paper.  I was surprised at how good the
> linearity was for the 4000 Epson driver printing BO with the PKN
> (compare density plots below for the linearized QTR PKN+LKN profile and
> Epson driver PKN only).  After making some adjustments in the LKN:LM:Y
> ratios I also have a very nice sepia tone with deep, rich blacks.  I'm
> still working with a mix of Epson UC inks in the color positions and
> MIS PKN and LKN so I won't  re-profile all my  papers for color until I
> have all inks switched over to the MIS UC equivalents.  However, I did
> print the Kirkland with a new RGB profile and colors were very close to
> the original prints with straight UC inks so I don't expect any
> problems printing color with the neutral PK and LK inks.  I'm also
> still evaluating different glop overlay application rates on the 4000
> prints by running them through my 2200 and printing with a glop only
> overlay profile.  My initial test were done with an IJC glop only
> profile (glop in 2200 LK slot) with glop ink limit set to 50%.  There
> was almost no bronzing and only some slight gloss differential to begin
> with on the Kirkland PKN prints and after glop application both
> bronzing and gloss differential were completely gone.  See last density
> plot below for post glop coated PKN+LKN print.  Slightly higher dmin
> from the glop but a terrific dmax boost to the highest dmax (2.602)
> I've ever obtained for any ink/paper combo and beautiful artifact free
> gloss finish.  I'm still considering my options for installing glop in
> the 4000 that will also enable me to print both B&W and color, but
> these prints are so good I'm leaning towards dumping matte paper
> printing completely and just using glop in the matte black slot for
> overcoating prints.  The matte prints on cotton rag with dmax levels in
> the 1.7 range just look dull and pathetically weak next to these new RC
> prints.
>

Steve,

Yes the PKN is shipping - received mine two days ago.  I used to wax RC 
prints after applying Printshield spray so I'll give the wax a try on 
the glopped prints as well - although I'm pretty happy with a 2.6 dmax 
as is and love the soft gloss finish.

Carl

On Feb 3, 2005, at 6:09 PM, Steve Kale wrote:

>
> And if you can be bothered waxing the prints dMax may even go 
> further....
>
> My MIS order has shipped so maybe that means PKN is now available.  The
> order was held up and I am hoping they were waiting for the ink.  
> Fingers
> crossed...
>
>
>> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:54:54 -0500
>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: [Digital BW] Update on MIS PKN and LKN in the Epson 4000
>>
>>
>> The new MIS PKN and UT7 LK neutral inks are performing very well in my
>> Epson 4000 for both B&W and color.  I've tried PKN only printing with
>> the Epson driver, PKN + LKN neutral profiles with both QTR and 
>> IJC/OPM,
>> and PKN+LKN+LM+Y sepia profiles.  All yield a dmax of about 2.46 on
>> Kirkland Signature Glossy paper.  I was surprised at how good the
>> linearity was for the 4000 Epson driver printing BO with the PKN
>> (compare density plots below for the linearized QTR PKN+LKN profile 
>> and
>> Epson driver PKN only).  After making some adjustments in the LKN:LM:Y
>> ratios I also have a very nice sepia tone with deep, rich blacks.  I'm
>> still working with a mix of Epson UC inks in the color positions and
>> MIS PKN and LKN so I won't  re-profile all my  papers for color until 
>> I
>> have all inks switched over to the MIS UC equivalents.  However, I did
>> print the Kirkland with a new RGB profile and colors were very close 
>> to
>> the original prints with straight UC inks so I don't expect any
>> problems printing color with the neutral PK and LK inks.  I'm also
>> still evaluating different glop overlay application rates on the 4000
>> prints by running them through my 2200 and printing with a glop only
>> overlay profile.  My initial test were done with an IJC glop only
>> profile (glop in 2200 LK slot) with glop ink limit set to 50%.  There
>> was almost no bronzing and only some slight gloss differential to 
>> begin
>> with on the Kirkland PKN prints and after glop application both
>> bronzing and gloss differential were completely gone.  See last 
>> density
>> plot below for post glop coated PKN+LKN print.  Slightly higher dmin
>> from the glop but a terrific dmax boost to the highest dmax (2.602)
>> I've ever obtained for any ink/paper combo and beautiful artifact free
>> gloss finish.  I'm still considering my options for installing glop in
>> the 4000 that will also enable me to print both B&W and color, but
>> these prints are so good I'm leaning towards dumping matte paper
>> printing completely and just using glop in the matte black slot for
>> overcoating prints.  The matte prints on cotton rag with dmax levels 
>> in
>> the 1.7 range just look dull and pathetically weak next to these new 
>> RC
>> prints.
>>

Hi Carl,

What wax are you using?

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
<scho@m...> wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> Yes the PKN is shipping - received mine two days ago.  I used to 
wax RC 
> prints after applying Printshield spray so I'll give the wax a try 
on 
> the glopped prints as well - although I'm pretty happy with a 2.6 
dmax 
> as is and love the soft gloss finish.
> 
> Carl
> 
> On Feb 3, 2005, at 6:09 PM, Steve Kale wrote:
> 
> >
> > And if you can be bothered waxing the prints dMax may even go 
> > further....
> >
> > My MIS order has shipped so maybe that means PKN is now 
available.  The
> > order was held up and I am hoping they were waiting for the ink.  
> > Fingers
> > crossed...
> >
> >
> >> From: Carl Schofield <scho@m...>
> >> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:54:54 -0500
> >> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Subject: [Digital BW] Update on MIS PKN and LKN in the Epson 4000
> >>
> >>
> >> The new MIS PKN and UT7 LK neutral inks are performing very well 
in my
> >> Epson 4000 for both B&W and color.  I've tried PKN only printing 
with
> >> the Epson driver, PKN + LKN neutral profiles with both QTR and 
> >> IJC/OPM,
> >> and PKN+LKN+LM+Y sepia profiles.  All yield a dmax of about 2.46 
on
> >> Kirkland Signature Glossy paper.  I was surprised at how good the
> >> linearity was for the 4000 Epson driver printing BO with the PKN
> >> (compare density plots below for the linearized QTR PKN+LKN 
profile 
> >> and
> >> Epson driver PKN only).  After making some adjustments in the 
LKN:LM:Y
> >> ratios I also have a very nice sepia tone with deep, rich 
blacks.  I'm
> >> still working with a mix of Epson UC inks in the color positions 
and
> >> MIS PKN and LKN so I won't  re-profile all my  papers for color 
until 
> >> I
> >> have all inks switched over to the MIS UC equivalents.  However, 
I did
> >> print the Kirkland with a new RGB profile and colors were very 
close 
> >> to
> >> the original prints with straight UC inks so I don't expect any
> >> problems printing color with the neutral PK and LK inks.  I'm 
also
> >> still evaluating different glop overlay application rates on the 
4000
> >> prints by running them through my 2200 and printing with a glop 
only
> >> overlay profile.  My initial test were done with an IJC glop only
> >> profile (glop in 2200 LK slot) with glop ink limit set to 50%.  
There
> >> was almost no bronzing and only some slight gloss differential 
to 
> >> begin
> >> with on the Kirkland PKN prints and after glop application both
> >> bronzing and gloss differential were completely gone.  See last 
> >> density
> >> plot below for post glop coated PKN+LKN print.  Slightly higher 
dmin
> >> from the glop but a terrific dmax boost to the highest dmax 
(2.602)
> >> I've ever obtained for any ink/paper combo and beautiful 
artifact free
> >> gloss finish.  I'm still considering my options for installing 
glop in
> >> the 4000 that will also enable me to print both B&W and color, 
but
> >> these prints are so good I'm leaning towards dumping matte paper
> >> printing completely and just using glop in the matte black slot 
for
> >> overcoating prints.  The matte prints on cotton rag with dmax 
levels 
> >> in
> >> the 1.7 range just look dull and pathetically weak next to these 
new 

> >> RC
> >> prints.
> >>

I was using Renaissance Wax from Light Impressions on the Printshield 
sprayed RC prints - worked fine on Ilford Smooth Pearl in particular.  
I don't think I'll need it on the glopped prints, but if it raises dmax 
some more and more importantly provides some surface protection I'll 
use it.

Carl

On Feb 3, 2005, at 6:25 PM, scott_now_coming wrote:

>
>
> Hi Carl,
>
> What wax are you using?
>
> Scott
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield
> <scho@m...> wrote:
>> Steve,
>>
>> Yes the PKN is shipping - received mine two days ago.  I used to
> wax RC
>> prints after applying Printshield spray so I'll give the wax a try
> on
>> the glopped prints as well - although I'm pretty happy with a 2.6
> dmax
>> as is and love the soft gloss finish.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2005, at 6:09 PM, Steve Kale wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> And if you can be bothered waxing the prints dMax may even go
>>> further....
>>>
>>> My MIS order has shipped so maybe that means PKN is now
> available.  The
>>> order was held up and I am hoping they were waiting for the ink.
>>> Fingers
>>> crossed...
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Carl Schofield <scho@m...>
>>>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:54:54 -0500
>>>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Subject: [Digital BW] Update on MIS PKN and LKN in the Epson 4000
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The new MIS PKN and UT7 LK neutral inks are performing very well
> in my
>>>> Epson 4000 for both B&W and color.  I've tried PKN only printing
> with
>>>> the Epson driver, PKN + LKN neutral profiles with both QTR and
>>>> IJC/OPM,
>>>> and PKN+LKN+LM+Y sepia profiles.  All yield a dmax of about 2.46
> on
>>>> Kirkland Signature Glossy paper.  I was surprised at how good the
>>>> linearity was for the 4000 Epson driver printing BO with the PKN
>>>> (compare density plots below for the linearized QTR PKN+LKN
> profile
>>>> and
>>>> Epson driver PKN only).  After making some adjustments in the
> LKN:LM:Y
>>>> ratios I also have a very nice sepia tone with deep, rich
> blacks.  I'm
>>>> still working with a mix of Epson UC inks in the color positions
> and
>>>> MIS PKN and LKN so I won't  re-profile all my  papers for color
> until
>>>> I
>>>> have all inks switched over to the MIS UC equivalents.  However,
> I did
>>>> print the Kirkland with a new RGB profile and colors were very
> close
>>>> to
>>>> the original prints with straight UC inks so I don't expect any
>>>> problems printing color with the neutral PK and LK inks.  I'm
> also
>>>> still evaluating different glop overlay application rates on the
> 4000
>>>> prints by running them through my 2200 and printing with a glop
> only
>>>> overlay profile.  My initial test were done with an IJC glop only
>>>> profile (glop in 2200 LK slot) with glop ink limit set to 50%.
> There
>>>> was almost no bronzing and only some slight gloss differential
> to
>>>> begin
>>>> with on the Kirkland PKN prints and after glop application both
>>>> bronzing and gloss differential were completely gone.  See last
>>>> density
>>>> plot below for post glop coated PKN+LKN print.  Slightly higher
> dmin
>>>> from the glop but a terrific dmax boost to the highest dmax
> (2.602)
>>>> I've ever obtained for any ink/paper combo and beautiful
> artifact free
>>>> gloss finish.  I'm still considering my options for installing
> glop in
>>>> the 4000 that will also enable me to print both B&W and color,
> but
>>>> these prints are so good I'm leaning towards dumping matte paper
>>>> printing completely and just using glop in the matte black slot
> for
>>>> overcoating prints.  The matte prints on cotton rag with dmax
> levels
>>>> in
>>>> the 1.7 range just look dull and pathetically weak next to these
> new
>>>> RC
>>>> prints.
>>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Thanks Carl. I thought that might be the one you were using.

I wonder is wax will provide the oxygen barrier Paul is looking for.

Scott


-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
<scho@m...> wrote:
> I was using Renaissance Wax from Light Impressions on the 
Printshield 
> sprayed RC prints - worked fine on Ilford Smooth Pearl in 
particular.  
> I don't think I'll need it on the glopped prints, but if it raises 
dmax 
> some more and more importantly provides some surface protection 
I'll 
> use it.
> 
> Carl
> On Feb 3, 2005, at 6:25 PM, scott_now_coming wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi Carl,
> >
> > What wax are you using?
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl 
Schofield
> > <scho@m...> wrote:
> >> Steve,
> >>
> >> Yes the PKN is shipping - received mine two days ago.  I used to
> > wax RC
> >> prints after applying Printshield spray so I'll give the wax a 
try
> > on
> >> the glopped prints as well - although I'm pretty happy with a 2.6
> > dmax
> >> as is and love the soft gloss finish.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> On Feb 3, 2005, at 6:09 PM, Steve Kale wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> And if you can be bothered waxing the prints dMax may even go
> >>> further....
> >>>
> >>> My MIS order has shipped so maybe that means PKN is now
> > available.  The
> >>> order was held up and I am hoping they were waiting for the ink.
> >>> Fingers
> >>> crossed...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: Carl Schofield <scho@m...>
> >>>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> >>>> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:54:54 -0500
> >>>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> >>>> Subject: [Digital BW] Update on MIS PKN and LKN in the Epson 
4000
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The new MIS PKN and UT7 LK neutral inks are performing very 
well
> > in my
> >>>> Epson 4000 for both B&W and color.  I've tried PKN only 
printing
> > with
> >>>> the Epson driver, PKN + LKN neutral profiles with both QTR and
> >>>> IJC/OPM,
> >>>> and PKN+LKN+LM+Y sepia profiles.  All yield a dmax of about 
2.46
> > on
> >>>> Kirkland Signature Glossy paper.  I was surprised at how good 
the
> >>>> linearity was for the 4000 Epson driver printing BO with the 
PKN
> >>>> (compare density plots below for the linearized QTR PKN+LKN
> > profile
> >>>> and
> >>>> Epson driver PKN only).  After making some adjustments in the
> > LKN:LM:Y
> >>>> ratios I also have a very nice sepia tone with deep, rich
> > blacks.  I'm
> >>>> still working with a mix of Epson UC inks in the color 
positions
> > and
> >>>> MIS PKN and LKN so I won't  re-profile all my  papers for color
> > until
> >>>> I
> >>>> have all inks switched over to the MIS UC equivalents.  
However,
> > I did
> >>>> print the Kirkland with a new RGB profile and colors were very
> > close
> >>>> to
> >>>> the original prints with straight UC inks so I don't expect any
> >>>> problems printing color with the neutral PK and LK inks.  I'm
> > also
> >>>> still evaluating different glop overlay application rates on 
the
> > 4000
> >>>> prints by running them through my 2200 and printing with a glop
> > only
> >>>> overlay profile.  My initial test were done with an IJC glop 
only
> >>>> profile (glop in 2200 LK slot) with glop ink limit set to 50%.
> > There
> >>>> was almost no bronzing and only some slight gloss differential
> > to
> >>>> begin
> >>>> with on the Kirkland PKN prints and after glop application both
> >>>> bronzing and gloss differential were completely gone.  See last
> >>>> density
> >>>> plot below for post glop coated PKN+LKN print.  Slightly higher
> > dmin
> >>>> from the glop but a terrific dmax boost to the highest dmax
> > (2.602)
> >>>> I've ever obtained for any ink/paper combo and beautiful
> > artifact free
> >>>> gloss finish.  I'm still considering my options for installing
> > glop in
> >>>> the 4000 that will also enable me to print both B&W and color,
> > but
> >>>> these prints are so good I'm leaning towards dumping matte 
paper
> >>>> printing completely and just using glop in the matte black slot
> > for
> >>>> overcoating prints.  The matte prints on cotton rag with dmax
> > levels
> >>>> in
> >>>> the 1.7 range just look dull and pathetically weak next to 
these
> > new
> >>>> RC
> >>>> prints.
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
> > resources as they are often being updated.
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Yeah the problem with the wax is that it requires one hell of a lot of
buffing to get a clean looking finish.

> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:18:46 -0500
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Update on MIS PKN and LKN in the Epson 4000
> 
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> Steve,
> 
> Yes the PKN is shipping - received mine two days ago.  I used to wax RC
> prints after applying Printshield spray so I'll give the wax a try on
> the glopped prints as well - although I'm pretty happy with a 2.6 dmax
> as is and love the soft gloss finish.
> 
> Carl

Try Epson Premium Luster also.  I think it is one of the best looking papers
I have seen - a beautiful silky matt finish.  I only wish it was sold in the
UK.  Just out of interest, what dMax are you getting with MIS PK (warm) with
an overcoat?

Steve

> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:18:46 -0500
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Update on MIS PKN and LKN in the Epson 4000
> 
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Yes the PKN is shipping - received mine two days ago.  I used to wax RC
> prints after applying Printshield spray so I'll give the wax a try on
> the glopped prints as well - although I'm pretty happy with a 2.6 dmax
> as is and love the soft gloss finish.
> 
> Carl

I had a dmax of 2.28 on Kirkland Glossy with MIS PK and glop in my 
2200, but that was with glop applied during printing.

Carl

On Feb 4, 2005, at 5:38 AM, Steve Kale wrote:

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> Try Epson Premium Luster also.  I think it is one of the best looking 
> papers
> I have seen - a beautiful silky matt finish.  I only wish it was sold 
> in the
> UK.  Just out of interest, what dMax are you getting with MIS PK 
> (warm) with
> an overcoat?
>
> Steve
>
>
>> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:18:46 -0500
>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Update on MIS PKN and LKN in the Epson 4000
>>
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Yes the PKN is shipping - received mine two days ago.  I used to wax 
>> RC
>> prints after applying Printshield spray so I'll give the wax a try on
>> the glopped prints as well - although I'm pretty happy with a 2.6 dmax
>> as is and love the soft gloss finish.
>>
>> Carl

does anyone know if there will be a way to use glop on the 1280 with 
UT2 or UTEZ inks? It would mean having a refillable cartridge or a CIF 
I think. I would much prefer a refillable cartridge, as I have never 
had a clog with my non-CIF system, and I only print once a week or 
less. Glop would be great in the 1280, there are a lot of us using the 
1280 I think.......Doug M

Yes, you can now purchase 1280 UT2 carts with glop in the Y position.  
Paul Roark has curves for using this modification.
http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/roarkslab.html

On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:16 PM, Douglas Meeuwsen wrote:

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> does anyone know if there will be a way to use glop on the 1280 with
> UT2 or UTEZ inks? It would mean having a refillable cartridge or a CIF
> I think. I would much prefer a refillable cartridge, as I have never
> had a clog with my non-CIF system, and I only print once a week or
> less. Glop would be great in the 1280, there are a lot of us using the
> 1280 I think.......Doug M

Doug,

>does anyone know if there will be a way to use glop on the 

>1280 with UT2 

Yes, curves have been posted on my webpage at 
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT2-curves.html .

All the other curves except sepia work the same as always.

MIS has UT2-Glop carts for sale, pre-loaded.

The Glop is in the yellow position.  The Blue curve controls it.  Adjusting
the Glop-Blue curve is easy.  Just pull the Blue curve down where bronzing
shows.

Use 2880 for smoothness.

Use the printer regularly.  The glop on the pads might cause particles to
adhere to the head if it dries out there.  Rinsing the pad occasionally is
probably a good idea.

At any rate, UT2-Glop is there are supported.

>or UTEZ inks?

No, I have done nothing with that printer.  Costco paper with EZ inks are so
good no more is needed.  You might also use PKN with the EZ-N set.

>  I have been looking over the MIS site for the 1280 carts prefilled 
> with glop in the yellow channel.....it is not on the pages where I 
> have been getting my supplies. There seems to be no mention of 
> it....I'll keep looking, but if someone knows, that would be great, 
> Thanks in advance! Doug M
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Meeuwsen
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> >  I have been looking over the MIS site for the 1280 carts prefilled 
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thanks!.......I made my order today....and told them to give paul a 
raise!



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