Digital BW, The Print

Hello all,

Can anyone suggest a good Canadian supplier of quality papers
(Hahnemuhle & co.), or an American supplier with reasonable shipping
to points Canada?
If I order from the States, what sort of duty can I expect to pay, if any?

Much appreciated,
Jens

Where are you in Canada? In Toronto, there is a very low profile Epson
dealer (Hint: On Carlaw) that sells papers, supplies, Epson printers,
at much better price than the two big names. I heard that they might
be going to carry HRag the last time I was there but I am not sure.

Otherwise, the Camera store and I just found out Vistek sells Moab. 

Anyway, you don't pay duty shopping cross border. I have done it
before. Just don't ship UPS ground (expect to pay major custom agent
fee). Ship with US postal service. You just need to pay GST.

Michael

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "JensGerbitz"
<jensgerbitz@y...> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Can anyone suggest a good Canadian supplier of quality papers
> (Hahnemuhle & co.), or an American supplier with reasonable shipping
> to points Canada?
> If I order from the States, what sort of duty can I expect to pay,
if any?

> 
> Much appreciated,
> Jens

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "JensGerbitz"
<jensgerbitz@y...> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Can anyone suggest a good Canadian supplier of quality papers
> (Hahnemuhle & co.), or an American supplier with reasonable shipping
> to points Canada?
> If I order from the States, what sort of duty can I expect to pay,
if any?
> 
> Much appreciated,
> Jens


Headshots Rentals in Toronto
(http://www.headshotsrentals.com/index.htm) has announced that it is
going to stock Hahnemuhle papers shortly.

CCBC (Computer Consumables Buyers Club www.ccbc-club.com) also in
Toronto carries the complete Epson fine art line, Ilford papers and
Premier Art Hot Press re-branded as their own CCBC fine art line at an
excellent price point.

I've ordered rolls of HPR from Jim Doyle at Shades of Paper
(http://www.shadesofpaper.com). Great communication, prompt shipping,
careful packaging and good prices. Even with currency exchange, GST
and customs brokerage fee if using UPS or FedEx (no duty) it's still a
deal.

Martin

Thanks Michael and Martin,

I'm in western Canada (Edmonton), but I'm guessing it won't make much
of a difference since shipping is pretty much the same if ordering
from the states.  

I've been reading great reviews about Jim Doyle and sop, so I'll take
a closer look at his offerings, as well as those from CCBC.

Thanks again,
Jens

> 
> Headshots Rentals in Toronto
> (http://www.headshotsrentals.com/index.htm) has announced that it is
> going to stock Hahnemuhle papers shortly.
> 
> CCBC (Computer Consumables Buyers Club www.ccbc-club.com) also in
> Toronto carries the complete Epson fine art line, Ilford papers and
> Premier Art Hot Press re-branded as their own CCBC fine art line at an
> excellent price point.
> 
> I've ordered rolls of HPR from Jim Doyle at Shades of Paper
> (http://www.shadesofpaper.com). Great communication, prompt shipping,
> careful packaging and good prices. Even with currency exchange, GST
> and customs brokerage fee if using UPS or FedEx (no duty) it's still a
> deal.
> 
> Martin

> > I've ordered rolls of HPR from Jim Doyle at Shades of Paper
> > (http://www.shadesofpaper.com). Great communication, prompt shipping,
> > careful packaging and good prices. Even with currency exchange, GST
> > and customs brokerage fee if using UPS or FedEx (no duty) it's still a
> > deal.
> > 
> > Martin


If stuff is sent via USPS ther are no brokerage fees.


G. Peffer

Thanks for links to Canadian paper suppliers

On 2/7/05 8:13 PM, "Michael Hung" sent the following verbage:

> 
> 
> Where are you in Canada? In Toronto, there is a very low profile Epson
> dealer (Hint: On Carlaw) that sells papers, supplies, Epson printers,
> at much better price than the two big names. I heard that they might
> be going to carry HRag the last time I was there but I am not sure.
> 
> Otherwise, the Camera store and I just found out Vistek sells Moab.

Watch their Epson paper prices... For some papers it's cheaper to bring them
in from the states... Applies to UC carts for the 2200 as well, 8.90US vs
19.95Cdn.  For the 220ml inks for 4000's and up, prices here are similar to
stateside.


> 
> Anyway, you don't pay duty shopping cross border.

Well I seem to, on everything from paper and inks, to scanner parts.

> I have done it
> before. Just don't ship UPS ground (expect to pay major custom agent
> fee). Ship with US postal service. You just need to pay GST.

I just paid a 37.00 brokerage fee for a 128.00 item. Plus duty and GST. US
postal service charged me brokerage fee, duty and tax on an express shipment
from Colorado, the overnight express took 7 days. USPS uses fed-ex for their
express shipments, the sender didn't know at the time. The shipment was
exposed neg's ... Make sense? There are no set rules it seems to me. You are
also at the mercy of the particular customs official that checks your
package.
Carolyn

Carolyn,

Sorry to hear your bad experience. My USPS air-parcel (snail-mail)
service experience is that it is slow.. but was never charged duty.
Duty also depends on the country of origin of the product. If the
product is not made in US (with NAFTA), I guess you could be charged.
(Esp for things like paper, since Canada makes so much of it).

Anyway.. 2200 UC carts does not cost 19.95CDN. CCBC charges C$15 and
the place I quoted charges even less if you buy more than a few carts.
I had a very bad experience with ccbc though.. I was there on a Sat,
by the time I found parking (that costs money), they are about to
close and refused to sell me anything (His excuse is that he has
shutdown the computer). I don't think I will go there again..

Michael

On 2/8/05 9:06 AM, "Michael Hung" sent the following verbage:

> Sorry to hear your bad experience. My USPS air-parcel (snail-mail)
> service experience is that it is slow.. but was never charged duty.
> Duty also depends on the country of origin of the product. If the
> product is not made in US (with NAFTA), I guess you could be charged.
> (Esp for things like paper, since Canada makes so much of it).

Thanks Michael... when the "product" is exposed negs, there shouldn't be any
charges .. When the product is a film carrier for my microtek, I feel it's
robbery to be charged almost 40.00 just for customs to look at it. :)


> Anyway.. 2200 UC carts does not cost 19.95CDN.

I'm in Calgary, and that's what I pay here. Except last trip downtown, I
complained about the cost and was given a 'discount'.

> CCBC charges C$15 and
> the place I quoted charges even less if you buy more than a few carts.

I'll look into it, thanks.

> I had a very bad experience with ccbc though.. I was there on a Sat,
> by the time I found parking (that costs money), they are about to
> close and refused to sell me anything (His excuse is that he has
> shutdown the computer). I don't think I will go there again..

I don't blame you.
Carolyn

---
http://www.carolynfrayn.com

Hi Jens,

I'm in Edmonton as well.  Have you tried McBain Camera?  Their prices tend
to be close to list (i.e. not discounted), but perhaps you bend an ear.  The
one on 107 Ave. stocks most of the Epson inks and media.  Also, talk to
Jeff, the manager of the computer department, at London Drugs at Oliver
Square.  He told me he's willing to beat any other local price on Epson inks
and media.

Let me know what you find out.

[L]

-----Original Message-----
From: JensGerbitz [mailto:jensgerbitz@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 1:03 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Paper suppliers in Canada



Thanks Michael and Martin,

I'm in western Canada (Edmonton), but I'm guessing it won't make much
of a difference since shipping is pretty much the same if ordering
from the states.  

I've been reading great reviews about Jim Doyle and sop, so I'll take
a closer look at his offerings, as well as those from CCBC.

Thanks again,
Jens


> 
> Headshots Rentals in Toronto
> (http://www.headshotsrentals.com/index.htm) has announced that it is
> going to stock Hahnemuhle papers shortly.
> 
> CCBC (Computer Consumables Buyers Club www.ccbc-club.com) also in
> Toronto carries the complete Epson fine art line, Ilford papers and
> Premier Art Hot Press re-branded as their own CCBC fine art line at an
> excellent price point.
> 
> I've ordered rolls of HPR from Jim Doyle at Shades of Paper
> (http://www.shadesofpaper.com). Great communication, prompt shipping,
> careful packaging and good prices. Even with currency exchange, GST
> and customs brokerage fee if using UPS or FedEx (no duty) it's still a
> deal.
> 
> Martin






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Hi Leroy,

Thanks a bunch.  I've had a couple of people contact me outside of the
forum about Canadian suppliers of Hahnemuhle papers in particular. 
I'm hesitant to mention anything about it at this point since I don't
know anything yet about prices, service, etc.  If it turns out to be a
good source I'll definitely post it here, since suppliers in Canada
should be supported if the price and service are right; it spares us
the pain of seemingly arbitrarily applied customs & duties!

All the best,
Jens


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Schulz"
<mail@f...> wrote:
> Hi Jens,
> 
> I'm in Edmonton as well.  Have you tried McBain Camera?  Their
prices tend
> to be close to list (i.e. not discounted), but perhaps you bend an
ear.  The
> one on 107 Ave. stocks most of the Epson inks and media.  Also,
talk to
> Jeff, the manager of the computer department, at London Drugs at
Oliver
> Square.  He told me he's willing to beat any other local price on
Epson inks

> and media.
> 
> Let me know what you find out.

Hi Jens,

> suppliers in Canada should be supported if the price and
> service are right; it spares us the pain of seemingly
> arbitrarily applied customs & duties

Very true.

Another thought:  perhaps at some point we could combine orders to save on
shipping.  Feel free to contact me off-list if you're interested.

[L]

Excellent idea, Leroy.  I'll get in touch with you if / when the time
comes.
Come to think of it, I could eventually see a mini-co-op for Edmonton
& area B&W inkjet printers for this kind of stuff.
One step at a time, Jens, one step at a time.
Take care,
Jens

> Hi Jens,
> 
> > suppliers in Canada should be supported if the price and
> > service are right; it spares us the pain of seemingly
> > arbitrarily applied customs & duties
> 
> Very true.
> 
> Another thought:  perhaps at some point we could combine orders to
save on

> shipping.  Feel free to contact me off-list if you're interested.
> 
> [L]

Yes and since your not far from the states have it shipped there and pick it
up!

Jim Doyle

J. Doyle Enterprises LLC.
114 Old Orchard Rd.
Cherry Hill, NJ 08003
856-424-8660
www.shadesofpaper.com

-----Original Message-----
From: JensGerbitz [mailto:jensgerbitz@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 2:13 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Paper suppliers in Canada


Excellent idea, Leroy.  I'll get in touch with you if / when the time
comes.
Come to think of it, I could eventually see a mini-co-op for Edmonton
& area B&W inkjet printers for this kind of stuff.
One step at a time, Jens, one step at a time.
Take care,
Jens

> Hi Jens,
>
> > suppliers in Canada should be supported if the price and
> > service are right; it spares us the pain of seemingly
> > arbitrarily applied customs & duties
>
> Very true.
>
> Another thought:  perhaps at some point we could combine orders to
save on
> shipping.  Feel free to contact me off-list if you're interested.
>
> [L]





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Hi Jens,

> One step at a time, Jens, one step at a time.

Expand that thought to include both of us.  :-)

[L]

Hi Jim,

> Yes and since your not far from the states have it
> shipped there and pick it up!

Only about 8 hours from the border.  I do love Montana, though.  :-)

http://maps.google.com/  Scroll up a couple of mouse-clicks.

[L]

Greetings:    in canada---- toronto,,,,, there is;  "   
http://www.headshotsrentals.com   "  877-736-8555

regards
Larry