Digital BW, The Print

I am planning to start taking panoramas and investigating papers on 
which to print them.  I have not found any wide roll papers in 
Greece.  Epson UK, and in its helpful (?) help-line way denied 
knowledge of such an EAM/EEM range products, which I would use for 
proofing.

I therefore tried to find locations to buy in the Washington DC area, 
where I will be going on business in April.  So I google searched 
for "S041725" the 17 inch wide EEM paper and, lo and behold there was 
light, for the search came up with a company in Powys, Wales 
http://www.tsi-europe.com 

I ordered S041595 Enhanced Matte Paper 24inch 30.5m and the company 
said yesterday that it would be dispatched that day. 

Thus US Epson papers are available in the UK!

They also list:

S041655 Premium Semimatte Photo Paper ; 
S041431 Smooth Fine Art Paper 24inch 15M; 
S041702 Somerset enhanced velvet roll 24inch 15.2m; 
S041447 Textured Fine Art Paper 24inch 15M and 
S041396 Watercolour Paper Radiant White Roll 24inch 18M, amongst 
others.

I have never used any of these in any form.  I want an "archival" 
paper – I use, and like, Photorag (A3) for which I have now found a 
supplier in Athens, and William Turner sold as Ilford smooth fine art 
(A4 only). Can anyone make recommendations and comment on suitability 
of curves for UT2.  I use the 1280 driver on an Epson 1290 printer.  

Thanks,

Colin

At 8:07 AM +0000 2/10/05, colingruk wrote:
>I am planning to start taking panoramas and investigating papers on
>which to print them. [snip]

Colin is way ahead of me. Incidental to brooding about wide-angle 
lenses, I'm just starting to think about panoramic prints and 
wondering whether there are any conventional formats for their 
presentation, especially if those conventions have implications for 
equipment or produce derivative economies in materials.

However panoramic prints have usually been shaped, I'd also like to 
have references to relatively small examples of panoramic work. If I 
try my hand, I'd do my own matting and framing. And I don't have much 
room to do it in. For example, at about 11x14 in 16x20, I'm "maxed 
out". What I'm really wondering is what those limits might become in 
the case of panoramic images.

Thanks.
--
Sam, who's planning his spring excursions to the Southwest

Why not do ~ 11 or 12 by 22-24. You could then print them easily on
24" roll paper cut to size. If you don't need more than 30-40 years
longevity you can use eem. I do 17x40's and work on matting and
framing on the floor on a piece of coated hardboard from your local
nameless home supply co. Just stash it in the closet when not in use.
You can buy an inexpensive Dexter matt cutter and roll your own matts
as well. Cut frames are available online for quite reasonable prices
and you can buy inexpensive corner clamps to hold them together for
gluing and corner brads. Get glass at your local glass supply house
and use Elmers glue and craft paper to finish them. Archival matts and
backing boards are also available online. Diamond points  used with a
putty knife are also available from most Michaels and similar type
stores or you can buy your own point setter.
As to size, I personaly think the photo dictates both the size and the
proportions of any print. Imho of course.

Best.
Duane.







--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Sam McCandless
<samcc@v...> wrote:

> At 8:07 AM +0000 2/10/05, colingruk wrote:
> >I am planning to start taking panoramas and investigating papers on
> >which to print them. [snip]
> 
> Colin is way ahead of me. Incidental to brooding about wide-angle 
> lenses, I'm just starting to think about panoramic prints and 
> wondering whether there are any conventional formats for their 
> presentation, especially if those conventions have implications for 
> equipment or produce derivative economies in materials.
> 
> However panoramic prints have usually been shaped, I'd also like to 
> have references to relatively small examples of panoramic work. If I 
> try my hand, I'd do my own matting and framing. And I don't have much 
> room to do it in. For example, at about 11x14 in 16x20, I'm "maxed 
> out". What I'm really wondering is what those limits might become in 
> the case of panoramic images.
> 
> Thanks.
> --
> Sam, who's planning his spring excursions to the Southwest

<http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1108098105.html>

Hey!

Richard Sintchak <rich815@...> wrote


> All I want to know is can it do BO?

Not unless it has a different driver from the Japanese model. I have one
of these and it prints with all the colours when set to black (same as
the R800 I believe).

I (kinda) know someone who works for ColorVision, the Spyder people, and
he looked at some B&W prints from the Japanese model under a high
powered microscope while he was here in Japan doing some work with
Epson. He said it definitely prints with colour ink.

Hope that helps. Probably not since you are interested in BO printing.
For me this is good news, as I will be able to get the U.S. driver,
which will probably have more options as far as paper profiles goes.
Apparently the Japanese drivers are always more limited in this regard.

Sooner,
Dean

I who, know nothing, am moved to ask: What happens if you fill all the
carts with black?

Drime

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Dean <dean@t...>
wrote:
> Hey!
> 
> Richard Sintchak <rich815@g...> wrote
> 
> 
> > All I want to know is can it do BO?
> 
> Not unless it has a different driver from the Japanese model. I have one
> of these and it prints with all the colours when set to black (same as
> the R800 I believe).
SNIP

>Richard Sintchak <rich815@...> wrote
 >
 >> All I want to know is can it do BO?
 >
 >Not unless it has a different driver from the Japanese model. I have one
 >of these and it prints with all the colours when set to black (same as
 >the R800 I believe).

There's no doubt in my mind the R800 prints greyscale with the colour inks 
- when mine started to run low on Magenta the prints turned green.  There's 
no BO facility with this printer.

Regards
Richard

Here

<http://www.inkjetart.com/news/archive/IJN_02-21-05.html>

is an interesting compare-and-contrast on the new 1800 vs the 2200 
and the 1280.
--
Sam

Interesting that one would top load a paper like HPR in this thing.  If Roy
can get it up and running with QTR I think we all just got a better 2200 for
$150 less - despite the comments in the article below.  No LK would demand,
I would have thought, a dedicated ink set unless QTR/IJC will be able to
exploit its high potential dpi - but we still don't have 2880 dpi on the
21/2200, at least not for Mac users.

> From: Sam McCandless <samcc@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:34:00 -0800
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson's 13 x 19 inkjets compared & contrasted
> 
> 
> Here
> 
> <http://www.inkjetart.com/news/archive/IJN_02-21-05.html>
> 
> is an interesting compare-and-contrast on the new 1800 vs the 2200
> and the 1280.
> --
> Sam
>

So here�s a thought, given the advantages and limitations of the R1800, 
if I do both color and B&W, but rarely print beyond 13� width, then 
would it make sense to dedicate my existing 2200 to B&W with UT7 inks 
on matte/art papers and buy the new R1800 for color output on luster 
paper? Call me crazy, but doesn�t this make more sense than buying a 
second 2200 on the used market for $450 and dedicating that to B&W? I'm 
taking advantage of the relative strengths of each printer, but also 
improving the output quality for both color and B&W.



>
> Interesting that one would top load a paper like HPR in this thing.  
> If Roy
> can get it up and running with QTR I think we all just got a better 
> 2200 for
> $150 less - despite the comments in the article below.  No LK would 
> demand,
> I would have thought, a dedicated ink set unless QTR/IJC will be able 
> to
> exploit its high potential dpi - but we still don't have 2880 dpi on 
> the
> 21/2200, at least not for Mac users.
>


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Sam McCandless wrote:
> Here
> 
> <http://www.inkjetart.com/news/archive/IJN_02-21-05.html>
> 
> is an interesting compare-and-contrast on the new 1800 vs the 2200 
> and the 1280.


A lot of similarities to my thoughts so far, including how it 
will (not) influence the wide format models in the future.

Ernst

Mark Carstens wrote:
> So here\ufffds a thought, given the advantages and limitations of the R1800, 
> if I do both color and B&W, but rarely print beyond 13\ufffd width, then 
> would it make sense to dedicate my existing 2200 to B&W with UT7 inks 
> on matte/art papers and buy the new R1800 for color output on luster 
> paper? Call me crazy, but doesn\ufffdt this make more sense than buying a 
> second 2200 on the used market for $450 and dedicating that to B&W? I'm 
> taking advantage of the relative strengths of each printer, but also 
> improving the output quality for both color and B&W.

Makes sense, horses for courses and a warranty on the new 
machine that will keep its Epson inks for the time being.

Ernst