Digital BW, The Print

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Neely" <dneely3@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 4:54 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Scanner & Scanning Software Question




I teach at a Vocational High School in the Phoenix area and we recently
received an Epson 4870 scanner and the bundled SilverFast Ai software.

I have not been able to get even close to a decent scan with the SilverFast
software but have had great success with the Epson scanning software which
has produced excellent scans and is very easy to use.

With SilverFast I must be doing something very wrong but for the life of me
I can't figure out what. All the scans come out black when loaded into
Photoshop. Could someone please give me some help with this, point me to
some online info about this combo of scanner and software because the
instructions are not detailed or much help. I know most people feel that the
SilverFast software is top notch but so far I am lost.

Any comments, advice or directions would be very much appreciated.

David Neely
Photo Imaging
Metro Tech H.S.
www.davidneelyphoto.com

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: 03/11/05 17:09:01
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Scanner & Scanning Software Question
 
David,

I use Silverfast Ai6 with my Epson Expression 1680 and have found, as others

have previously stated on this list, that it's pretty much useless for 
scanning color and B&W negs. At least, that's my experience. Transparency 
film is not problem. So, I generally use Silverfast for slide film and 
Vuescan for B&W.

As for how to setup and use, visit Silverfast's website; they have many 
instructional movies available. If you feel that you need more help beyond 
what's available on the website and in the user manual, see if you can 
obtain a copy of Taz Tally's Silverfast: The Official Guide. It's not great 
for scanning help, but I found it useful for setting up the software; 
especially the color management stuff.

Hope this helps.

Alan Huntley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Neely" <dneely3@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 4:54 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Scanner & Scanning Software Question




I teach at a Vocational High School in the Phoenix area and we recently
received an Epson 4870 scanner and the bundled SilverFast Ai software.

I have not been able to get even close to a decent scan with the SilverFast
software but have had great success with the Epson scanning software which
has produced excellent scans and is very easy to use.

With SilverFast I must be doing something very wrong but for the life of me
I can't figure out what. All the scans come out black when loaded into
Photoshop. Could someone please give me some help with this, point me to
some online info about this combo of scanner and software because the
instructions are not detailed or much help. I know most people feel that the
SilverFast software is top notch but so far I am lost.

Any comments, advice or directions would be very much appreciated.

David Neely
Photo Imaging
Metro Tech H.S.
www.davidneelyphoto.com

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-------Original Message-------
 
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: 03/12/05 10:46:59
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Scanner & Scanning Software Question
 
Hi David,

>You say that the SilverFast software is basically worthless for scanning 
>color and B&W negs !! why is that and why
does the software have such a good reputation if that is the case?

In my experience, Silverfast produces way too much contrast when scanning 
negatives--whether using NegFix or not. I've tried ALL the profiles provided

and have yet to find one that even comes close to what I want to see in my 
final scans. As a matter of fact, I've found that the Epson driver delivered

with the scanner does better with negatives; though, still, not what I 
want/need. IMO, Vuescan does a much better job with B&W.

I think the reason Silverfast has such a good reputation probably revolves 
around a couple of things: 1) most professionals and probably a high 
percentage of amateurs scan mostly transparency film (it seems that most 
scanning hardware and software is targeted to this film type), and 2) 
Silverfast software is used by busy professional and labs where time is very

valuable. Silverfast offers a LOT of control within the scanning software 
itself. Therefore, PS simply becomes an application for very minor touch-ups

and printing...most of the work--gamma, color correction, etc--is done 
during the scan.

My goal during the scan phase is simply to deliver the most data I can to PS

without clipping the end points. I don't need lots of contrast, I don't need

to establish the black/white points at this time, I don't need to sharpen, 
etc. I just want the best image to begin with (in 16-bit grayscale, of 
course) so I can comfortably work on it in PS.

>PS: could someone give me the link to the SilverFast web site??

www.silverfast.com

Hope this helps.

Alan Huntley 



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-------Original Message-------
 
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: 03/12/05 11:26:32
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Scanner & Scanning Software Question
 
Just in the interest of getting you going: www.hamrick.com.

I've been using it for four years.  With Nikon and Minolta.


Seth

==-----Original Message-----
==From: David Neely [mailto:dneely3@...] 
==
== Thanks Alan!  You mentioned Vuescan software, where can I 
==find some info on that since I will primarily be doing B&W 
==with this scanner? I have been on the SilverFast web site 
==this morning looking at all the help files etc. Lots of information
==but I am going to keep plugging.  Any suggestions or tips for 
==using the Epson software with my B&W scans?  David    



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Neely" <dneely3@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Scanner & Scanning Software Question

Thanks Alan!

You mentioned Vuescan software, where can I find some info on that since I
will primarily be doing B&W with this scanner? I have been on the SilverFast
web site this morning looking at all the help files etc. Lots of information
but I am going to keep plugging.

Any suggestions or tips for using the Epson software with my B&W scans?

On Mar 12, 2005, at 4:25 PM, John Vitollo wrote:

>
>
> A. Huntley"  wrote:
>> Vuescan can be found at:  www.hamrick.com
>
> Also here's a tutorial on Vuescan. It's a littled dated but should 
> help.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/onelucent/VS/vsm.html
>

> The latest version (8.1.4) on my iMac (G5, 10.3.8) is a disaster with 
> the Epson 3200 - extremely buggy.  Last version I used was fine 
> (8.1.3.6).  This is typical of Vuescan so if you find a stable version 
> hang on to it.
>

On Mar 13, 2005, at 10:50 AM, Carl Schofield wrote:

> The latest version (8.1.4) on my iMac (G5, 10.3.8) is a disaster with 
> the Epson 3200 - extremely buggy.  Last version I used was fine 
> (8.1.3.6).  This is typical of Vuescan so if you find a stable version 
> hang on to it.
>
> On Mar 12, 2005, at 4:25 PM, John Vitollo wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> A. Huntley"  wrote:
>>> Vuescan can be found at:  www.hamrick.com
>>
>> Also here's a tutorial on Vuescan. It's a littled dated but should 
>> help.
>>
>> http://homepage.mac.com/onelucent/VS/vsm.html
>>
>

> Has anyone evaluated the new "Make gray from...R, G, B, IR" 
> feature?  I've been using it with the green channel only, but haven't 
> tested to see if there are any significant differences when scanning 
> B&W negatives.