Digital BW, The Print

Hello Everyone,

For those who have used both QTR and IJC/OPM: What are the Pro's and Con's of each 
beyond cost?

Thanks,

Steve

Steve,

Both products are fantastic and give the same high quality output.  
They use the same gimp engine for output, so if you have identical 
profiles, you should get identical output.  

I settled on IJC/OPM because I prefer the flexibility, power and user 
interface for profile creation.  It has some neat features that I 
love.  Here is a link to the tutorial if you want more information.

http://www.bowhaus.com/contributors/contributor.htm

IJC/OPM works with 8 and 16 bit grayscale and RGB images, in TIF, JPG 
and PSD formats.  QTR may also, but I don't remember.  IJC/OPM also 
has a set of sliders, similar to Photoshop's channel mixer, which 
allows you to adjust RGB images on the fly so you can blend channels 
for final output.  Unlike PS, this feature also has a checkbox that 
maintains overall luminosity when moving sliders, which is very 
handy.  You can also apply different profiles to different portions 
of the image using alpha channels, so one part of the image could be 
neutral B&W, while other portions are cool, warm, sepia, etc.  You 
can apply 7 profiles in a single image using alpha channels.

Both programs are excellent.  It just depends on how you want to work 
and the feature set you need.

Lou



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steveh0607" 
<steveh060758@m...> wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> For those who have used both QTR and IJC/OPM: What are the Pro's 
and Con's of each 

> beyond cost?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve

Is there any user documentation for QTR?  As a new user this will be important
as I make my decisions.


>-- Original Message --
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>From: "Louis Dina" <lbdina@...>
>Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:03:52 -0000
>Subject: [Digital BW] Re: QTR versus IJC/OPM
>Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
>Steve,
>
>Both products are fantastic and give the same high quality output.  
>They use the same gimp engine for output, so if you have identical 
>profiles, you should get identical output.  
>
>I settled on IJC/OPM because I prefer the flexibility, power and user 
>interface for profile creation.  It has some neat features that I 
>love.  Here is a link to the tutorial if you want more information.
>
>http://www.bowhaus.com/contributors/contributor.htm
>
>IJC/OPM works with 8 and 16 bit grayscale and RGB images, in TIF, JPG 
>and PSD formats.  QTR may also, but I don't remember.  IJC/OPM also 
>has a set of sliders, similar to Photoshop's channel mixer, which 
>allows you to adjust RGB images on the fly so you can blend channels 
>for final output.  Unlike PS, this feature also has a checkbox that 
>maintains overall luminosity when moving sliders, which is very 
>handy.  You can also apply different profiles to different portions 
>of the image using alpha channels, so one part of the image could be 
>neutral B&W, while other portions are cool, warm, sepia, etc.  You 
>can apply 7 profiles in a single image using alpha channels.
>
>Both programs are excellent.  It just depends on how you want to work 
>and the feature set you need.
>
>Lou
>
>
>
>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steveh0607" 
><steveh060758@m...> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> For those who have used both QTR and IJC/OPM: What are the Pro's 
>and Con's of each 
>> beyond cost?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Steve
>
>
>
>
>

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Hey, Lou.

I know that you use the PC version of IJC/OPM. Is the slider feature 
you've described exclusive to the PC version or is it present in the 
Mac OS X version as well?

Thanks!
Mark

On Mar 14, 2005, at 6:03 AM, Louis Dina wrote:

> IJC/OPM also has a set of sliders, similar to Photoshop's channel 
> mixer, which
> allows you to adjust RGB images on the fly so you can blend channels
> for final output.  Unlike PS, this feature also has a checkbox that
> maintains overall luminosity when moving sliders, which is very
> handy.  You can also apply different profiles to different portions
> of the image using alpha channels, so one part of the image could be
> neutral B&W, while other portions are cool, warm, sepia, etc.  You
> can apply 7 profiles in a single image using alpha channels.
>
> Both programs are excellent.  It just depends on how you want to work
> and the feature set you need.
>
> Lou

QTR is a free DL and trial.

Seth 

==-----Original Message-----
==From: Mathew DeLillo [mailto:mat@...] 
==
==
==Is there any user documentation for QTR?  As a new user this 
==will be important as I make my decisions.
==

You can also apply different profiles to different portions 
> of the image using alpha channels, so one part of the image could be 
> neutral B&W, while other portions are cool, warm, sepia, etc.  You 
> can apply 7 profiles in a single image using alpha channels.
Now that's interesting. Does anyone know if you can have this kind of control 
for split toning with QTR? I would like to try assigning a cool to the shadows 
and a warm to the highlights sometime.

John

> Both programs are excellent.  It just depends on how you want to work 
> and the feature set you need.
> 
> Lou
> 
>

Mark,

The PC version is the latest one.  I know Joe Berndt is upgrading the 
Mac version to incorporate all the features currently present in the 
PC version, and as is typical, will probably leap frog over the 
features in the PC version.  Not sure if it is complete or not.  Best 
to check with Bowhaus.  You can email Joe at software@....  

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Carstens 
<mathdude5@c...> wrote:
> Hey, Lou.
> 
> I know that you use the PC version of IJC/OPM. Is the slider 
feature 
> you've described exclusive to the PC version or is it present in 
the 
> Mac OS X version as well?
> 
> Thanks!
> Mark
> 
> 
> On Mar 14, 2005, at 6:03 AM, Louis Dina wrote:
> 
> > IJC/OPM also has a set of sliders, similar to Photoshop's channel 
> > mixer, which
> > allows you to adjust RGB images on the fly so you can blend 
channels
> > for final output.  Unlike PS, this feature also has a checkbox 
that
> > maintains overall luminosity when moving sliders, which is very
> > handy.  You can also apply different profiles to different 
portions
> > of the image using alpha channels, so one part of the image could 
be
> > neutral B&W, while other portions are cool, warm, sepia, etc.  You
> > can apply 7 profiles in a single image using alpha channels.
> >
> > Both programs are excellent.  It just depends on how you want to 
work

> > and the feature set you need.
> >
> > Lou

Thanks, Lou. I'm on it. Just sent off an email to Joe.

Mark

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> 
> 
> Mark, 
> 
> The PC version is the latest one. I know Joe Berndt is upgrading the 
> Mac version to incorporate all the features currently present in the 
> PC version, and as is typical, will probably leap frog over the 
> features in the PC version. Not sure if it is complete or not. Best 
> to check with Bowhaus. You can email Joe at software@.... 
> 
> Lou 
> 

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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" <lbdina@c...> wrote:

> Thanks for the detailed answer Lou. I'll check out the tutorial.
> Steve,
> 
> Both products are fantastic and give the same high quality output.  
> They use the same gimp engine for output, so if you have identical 
> profiles, you should get identical output.  
> 
> I settled on IJC/OPM because I prefer the flexibility, power and user 
> interface for profile creation.  It has some neat features that I 
> love.  Here is a link to the tutorial if you want more information.
> 
> http://www.bowhaus.com/contributors/contributor.htm
> 
> IJC/OPM works with 8 and 16 bit grayscale and RGB images, in TIF, JPG 
> and PSD formats.  QTR may also, but I don't remember.  IJC/OPM also 
> has a set of sliders, similar to Photoshop's channel mixer, which 
> allows you to adjust RGB images on the fly so you can blend channels 
> for final output.  Unlike PS, this feature also has a checkbox that 
> maintains overall luminosity when moving sliders, which is very 
> handy.  You can also apply different profiles to different portions 
> of the image using alpha channels, so one part of the image could be 
> neutral B&W, while other portions are cool, warm, sepia, etc.  You 
> can apply 7 profiles in a single image using alpha channels.
> 
> Both programs are excellent.  It just depends on how you want to work 
> and the feature set you need.
> 
> Lou
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steveh0607" 
> <steveh060758@m...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > For those who have used both QTR and IJC/OPM: What are the Pro's 
> and Con's of each 
> > beyond cost?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Steve

Does OJP print directly through photoshop using the print command or 
is it a standalone print application?

Is the $249 PC license for one pc? one printer? or one person????

thanks

Tom O'Connell

Tom,

OPM is a standalone driver. The license is for one
person. It doesn't check your network to see if it
is running on other machines.
The license doesn't differentiate between a 
letter size or a 44" wide printer - as long as they 
are on the list of supported printers.

Antonis




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom OConnell" <tomoc@y...> 
wrote:

> 
> Does OJP print directly through photoshop using the print command or 
> is it a standalone print application?
> 
> Is the $249 PC license for one pc? one printer? or one person????
> 
> thanks
> 
> Tom O'Connell

I would like to try assigning a cool to the shadows 
> and a warm to the highlights sometime.


John,

you can do that in a profile easily with IJC without the
use of alpha channels. I am sure you can put a profile
together in QTR as well that does "cross" toning.

The purpose of the alpha channel control in the
PC version of OPM is for more sophisticated
control: you don't need it to assign a color by 
gray values (i.e. highlight, midtones etc) but
by specific image elements. 

You can mask out an object in the photo and
assign a profile to it. You can make a blue sky
or a red apple in the middle of a grayscale
print if you are using a full cmyk inkset.
That kind of thing.

Antonis