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Indelible ink tests, cross post

Indelible ink tests, cross post

2001-11-24 by Tyler Boley

There was interest on this list about these, and Tony deserves this report here, so-
These tests were done with a 1200 and the Indelibles loaded into a CIS. Most testing was done on Lysonic Fine Art, 
otherwise known as a gazillion other papers. To compare these with two other pig sets of interest RGB profiles were made 
with Profiler Pro and Spectrocam on the glossy film setting to see how the inks compared when all put down exactly the 
same.
Black point (LAB)-
Generations4- 18  0.0  0.0
Conetech-  21  0.0  0.0
Indelible-  21  0.0  1.0

2.d gamut comparison here-
http://www.tylerboley.com/piggamut.JPG
Sorry if some lists have already seen this info.
This may not accurately reflect the true gamut of each set, only how they compare under the same circumstances. For 
example, Cone's own free profile looks strikingly different than the Profiler Pro profile with his ink. I have little experience 
with Cone's color inks so I'll not include them in further comments.
Subjective image comparisons between Gen4 and Indelibles reflect the above objective results. Gen4 has slightly brighter 
greens and a denser black (dye enhanced), Indelibles have richer browns and oranges, with less "scum dot" in saturated 
yellows. Otherwise the two inks have a similar look. Profiler Pro seemed to create profiles with less crossover in neutrals 
with the Indelibles than Gen4, don't know why. Metamerism is not non existent, but not as objectionable as some inks. 
Images attempting to be dead neutral show it the most, tinted monochromatic prints were not objectionable.
Lack of mottle and bleed with the Indelibles was impressive. I was able to use media settings in the Epson driver that made 
Generations mottle, and CMYK profiles for PressReady with much higher ink percentages than Generations. Really 
impressive was it's performance on uncoated Somerset Velvet, as much saturation and depth of tone without wicking as 
I've seen with that paper. I suspect Hawk Mountain papers will like this ink for this reason as well. Arches, which showed 
good saturation and depth, still suffers from the tiny beading of the ink on the gelatin, creating the grainy look all inks give 
on this paper. It's possible if anyone tests it within the next millennium, Indelibles and Somerset Velvet could have 
amazing longevity. I don't use, or expect pigments to work on glossy papers.
Compared to Lysonic E's, the color ink I'm most familiar with, Indelibles have the slightly opaque look all pigs have next to a 
dye print, and of course less impressive blacks and very deep colors. One assumes, of course, the Indelibles may yield 
better longevity, not my field of expertise.
Prints viewed on their own are lovely, there have been no particular problems, I'm impressed with the ink so far and plan 
on continuing to work with them.
My inks were purchased from Tony Caltabiano,
Calpen1@...
who has been very forthcoming and responsive to all my inquiries.
Tyler

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