Digital BW, The Print

For traditional darkroom workers, that air-dried glossy fiber paper 
surface has always held a special appeal. The d-max is great and the 
gloss subtle (creamy) without the sparkles of, say, Epson luster or 
semi-gloss. I have never found anything like it in the inkjet papers 
that I have seen until I ran across something quite by accident while 
investigating another product.

Pictorico seems to have a product called Premium Photo Glossy Paper 
(NOT their Photo Gallery Glossy Paper which is  high mirror-like
glossy and very similar to Epson glossy). I just ran a print and 
compared side by side with darkroom produced air-dried Ilfold 
Multigrade IV glossy and the sheen and surface are almost identical.
I was amazed. (I have no connection with this company of any kind).

Has anybody had any experience with this paper or have any coments???

Cheers.

What ink set? Any bronzing?
Mark

On Mar 27, 2005, at 4:58 PM, Scott Jones wrote:

>
>  For traditional darkroom workers, that air-dried glossy fiber paper
>  surface has always held a special appeal. The d-max is great and the
>  gloss subtle (creamy) without the sparkles of, say, Epson luster or
>  semi-gloss. I have never found anything like it in the inkjet papers
>  that I have seen until I ran across something quite by accident while
>  investigating another product.
>
>  Pictorico seems to have a product called Premium Photo Glossy Paper
>  (NOT their Photo Gallery Glossy Paper which is� high mirror-like
>  glossy and very similar to Epson glossy). I just ran a print and
>  compared side by side with darkroom produced air-dried Ilfold
>  Multigrade IV glossy and the sheen and surface are almost identical.
>  I was amazed. (I have no connection with this company of any kind).
>
>  Has anybody had any experience with this paper or have any coments???
>
>  Cheers.
>
>
>
>
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Scott-

You are right on. I use it with Image Print and with their free 
profiles and think it is the best paper made....but it only comes in 
destop sizes... if I could get a 17" roll, I would use it exclusively, 
but it doesn't make sense to use a paper that you cannot use for all 
prints...at least for me.

cheers,

Tom O'Connell

How's the bronzing?


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Jones" <peanutdogs@h...> 
wrote:

> 
> For traditional darkroom workers, that air-dried glossy fiber paper 
> surface has always held a special appeal. The d-max is great and the 
> gloss subtle (creamy) without the sparkles of, say, Epson luster or 
> semi-gloss. I have never found anything like it in the inkjet papers 
> that I have seen until I ran across something quite by accident while 
> investigating another product.
> 
> Pictorico seems to have a product called Premium Photo Glossy Paper 
> (NOT their Photo Gallery Glossy Paper which is  high mirror-like
> glossy and very similar to Epson glossy). I just ran a print and 
> compared side by side with darkroom produced air-dried Ilfold 
> Multigrade IV glossy and the sheen and surface are almost identical.
> I was amazed. (I have no connection with this company of any kind).
> 
> Has anybody had any experience with this paper or have any coments???
> 
> Cheers.

What ink set?

On Mar 29, 2005, at 9:54 PM, Tom OConnell wrote:

>
>  Scott-
>
>  You are right on. I use it with Image Print and with their free
>  profiles and think it is the best paper made....but it only comes in
>  destop sizes... if I could get a 17" roll, I would use it exclusively,
>  but it doesn't make sense to use a paper that you cannot use for all
>  prints...at least for me.
>
>  cheers,
>
>  Tom O'Connell
>
>
>
>
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Do you guys know if you can actually sell prints done on this Pictorico gloss paper? I mean 
will we have any reason to belive it will last? If so I'm going to check it out. I assume you 
have to use photo black with Ultrachrome. Epson used to make this paper called Glossy 
Paper Photo weight, and it looke like this. Only that media was not archival according to 
Epson and it scratched like hell. I've been looking for a replacement ever since.

John


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia <mark@c...> wrote:

> What ink set?
> 
> On Mar 29, 2005, at 9:54 PM, Tom OConnell wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Scott-
> >
> >  You are right on. I use it with Image Print and with their free
> >  profiles and think it is the best paper made....but it only comes in
> >  destop sizes... if I could get a 17" roll, I would use it exclusively,
> >  but it doesn't make sense to use a paper that you cannot use for all
> >  prints...at least for me.
> >
> >  cheers,
> >
> >  Tom O'Connell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Good question John.  Along with the previous ones about which inkset
is being used and is there any bronzing.......

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:49:20 -0000, john dean <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Do you guys know if you can actually sell prints done on this Pictorico
> gloss paper? I mean 
> will we have any reason to belive it will last? If so I'm going to check it
> out. I assume you 
> have to use photo black with Ultrachrome. Epson used to make this paper
> called Glossy 
> Paper Photo weight, and it looke like this. Only that media was not archival
> according to 
> Epson and it scratched like hell. I've been looking for a replacement ever
> since.
> 
> John
> 
>

Ink set was UC on Epson R800 with GLOP. No bronzing, but yes, the 
expected metamerism with no RIP used. Sorry it took me so long to 
answer this; I was away.

So the glop hides the bronzing?

On Apr 2, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Scott Jones wrote:

>
>  Ink set was UC on Epson R800 with GLOP. No bronzing, but yes, the
>  expected metamerism with no RIP used. Sorry it took me so long to
>  answer this; I was away.
>
>
>
>
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