Digital BW, The Print

In a message dated 11/30/2001 5:35:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
jacques10040@... writes:

snip>
> The 
> >one thing I'm still not satisfied with, though, is the black: it looks 
> >like 98% rather than 100%. It gets better if I use PS levels to set 
> >the black point about 20-30 points in from first black data, but 
> >then shadow detail goes to hell. I can't get good black while 
> >holding detail at 96-97%.

Switch to MIS FS Full Spectrum Black. This should give you an almost 5% 
increase in black. The standard quad black from MIS in well know for being on 
the weak side.
Steve Meyers

> 
> 




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Jacques,

I posted this earlier this week, but it may be appropriate for you as well.  
There is no need to use the hue/saturation though.

I have been experimenting for a while with the Piezo/Gen mix in an 1160 (Paul 
Roark's original extra crispy formula) and this may or not be helpful to 
others.  I'm now getting great images with no postarization or banding on 
Archival matte and Hahn. Photo Rag.

Instead of applying a curve, I have just used the Photo Quality Inkjet Paper 
along with PhotoEnhance4/Vivid and sharpness medium.  This also will require 
a contrast curve emphasizing the 60-80% tones.  

For different tones, I make a hue/saturation adjustment layer and change the 
image by moving hue/sat and checking "colorize" Since the Yellow position 
holds the blueish ink, a blue looking picture will print warm and a warm 
looking picture will print blue.  Watch the level of saturation though as it 
could get too bright.

I'm sure this can easily be applied to the MIS workflow as well.  What is 
your opinion on that Paul?

Sorry if this just confuses people.

-Andy Darlow

Sure, just use the VM black. It's much blacker than the standard black.

Jerry




jacques10040@... wrote:

> 
> I am new to this forum, deeply involved in quad/hex printing, and
> looking forward to a constructive and ongoing dialogue with all of
> you. I would like to ask your assistance in working out something
> that's been bugging me for a while.
> 
> I am using the Brandin workflow on an 1160 with MIS original
> quad inks. I spent days tweaking Brandin's workflow via transfer
> functions to get more separation in the darkest grays, only to find
> after the inks had dried for 48 hours that the 21-step scale
> printed with the untweaked Brandin workflow looked best. The
> one thing I'm still not satisfied with, though, is the black: it looks
> like 98% rather than 100%. It gets better if I use PS levels to set
> the black point about 20-30 points in from first black data, but
> then shadow detail goes to hell. I can't get good black while
> holding detail at 96-97%.
> 
> Has anyone had this problem and found a solution? Any
> feedback would be welcome.
> 
> Jacques
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames."
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage.
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/