Re: [Digital BW] Digest Number 3052- To Paul
2005-04-20 by Adolph B. Amster
Watch out for the pixmantec - it's outstanding in every way except that it produces a pretty small file. If you want the best resolution of which your camera is capable, you might try the latest VUESCAN which does read RAW files - at least it does for my Canon Rebel. 'Dolph Date sent: 19 Apr 2005 23:15:19 -0000
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Digest Number 3052 Send reply to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > > There are 25 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. soft proofing QT RIP in Photoshop - newbie question > From: "beardie_dragon" <beardie_the_dragon@...> > 2. Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > 3. With what should I replace my once trusty Epson 1160? > From: "Mike Gerra" <mike@...> > 4. Re: Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > From: guy washburn <guido02474@...> > 5. Re: Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > From: "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@...> > 6. Re: Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > From: "John Vitollo" <jvlist@...> > 7. Re: Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > From: "John Vitollo" <jvlist@...> > 8. Re: With what should I replace my once trusty Epson 1160? > From: "dfaprinting" <dfaprinting@...> > 9. Refilling MIS Carts for C86 > From: "mastedward" <mastedward@...> > 10. Ink splotches > From: "jgm818" <jgm818@...> > 11. RE: With what should I replace my once trusty Epson 1160? > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > 12. RE: Ink splotches > From: "Paul D. DeRocco" <pderocco@...m> > 13. RE: Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > From: "Paul D. DeRocco" <pderocco@...> > 14. B&W options with a digital camera > From: "Donald Schiemann" <DSCHIEMANN@...t> > 15. Re: Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > From: "Louis Dina" <lbdina@...> > 16. Re: Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > From: "Diane Fields" <picnic@...> > 17. Re: B&W options with a digital camera > From: "Diane Fields" <picnic@...> > 18. epson 1280 > From: "Peter Martin" <balzak3@...> > 19. RE: B&W options with a digital camera > From: "Paul D. DeRocco" <pderocco@...> > 20. Re: B&W options with a digital camera > From: "Diane Fields" <picnic@...> > 21. Re: B&W options with a digital camera > From: "Diane Fields" <picnic@...> > 22. Re: Photo Image watermarks > From: "drhodes413" <drhodes@...> > 23. Re: With what should I replace my once trusty Epson 1160? > From: "drhodes413" <drhodes@...> > 24. GRey Balancer > From: "Graham" <gakousei53@...> > 25. RE: With what should I replace my once trusty Epson 1160? > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@verizon.net> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:39:46 -0000 > From: "beardie_dragon" <beardie_the_dragon@...> > Subject: soft proofing QT RIP in Photoshop - newbie question > > > > Hi, > > I did do a quick serach on this subject and found no obvious answers. I > am using QT RIP and PS CS and would like to soft proof. What is the > recommended way of doing this ? > > I understand that I should work in the grey-lab space, but what do I > use as the output profile ? > > Is there any way to create a profile from the blend of tones curves ? > > Any input here would be appreciated. > > thanks > > beardie > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:04:28 -0700 > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > Subject: Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > > I just purchased one of these and find the Adobe Raw plug-ins do not seem to > work with it. Adobe has a note on one of the pages that they'll support the > XT in early May. > > > > The file type is *.cr2. I thought it was the same as the 20D, but > apparently not. > > > > What raw file type does the 20D use? > > > > Do some other raw converters handle this file type? > > > > The Canon software will convert to and RGB tiff, but it's only 8 bit. > > > > My first impressions of the Digital Rebel XT are generally positive. The > best news being the grainless images, and worst being very awkward tripod > handling (like most modern cameras). > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:14:57 -0000 > From: "Mike Gerra" <mike@...> > Subject: With what should I replace my once trusty Epson 1160? > > > Well, > After 3 good years, my once trusty Epson 1160 has finally bitten the > dust. I cannot unclog the Y head, and have tried every recommended > solution, literally and metaphorically. > > So, now with a gallery exhibit looming, I am looking for printer > recommendations, with following specs: max paper width 13 inches; > adaptable to CFS; dedicate to B+W; UT inks; various archival papers. > > I've been very pleased with MIS inkset with my 1160, and have become > reasonably good in using and building my own curves. So, a printer > with similar workflow / characteristics would be great. > > Oh well, I'm off now to the back yard where I plan to give my 1160 a > decent burial (after kicking it a few more times)! Thanks. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:22:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: guy washburn <guido02474@...> > Subject: Re: Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > > Hi Paul, > > Adobe Camera Raw 2.4 handles the .cr2 raw files from > the 20D (and 1Ds mkII). 3.0 is expected to add Rebel > XT support. > > Breaze Browser Pro V1.1 and Bibble V4.2 claim to > support the Rebel XT raw format. > > Good luck! > > Guy > --- Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote: > > I just purchased one of these and find the Adobe Raw > > plug-ins do not seem to > > work with it. Adobe has a note on one of the pages > > that they'll support the > > XT in early May. > > > > > > > > The file type is *.cr2. I thought it was the same > > as the 20D, but > > apparently not. > > > > > > > > What raw file type does the 20D use? > > > > > > > > Do some other raw converters handle this file type? > > > > > > > > The Canon software will convert to and RGB tiff, but > > it's only 8 bit. > > > > > > > > My first impressions of the Digital Rebel XT are > > generally positive. The > > best news being the grainless images, and worst > > being very awkward tripod > > handling (like most modern cameras). > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:33:18 -0000 > From: "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@...> > Subject: Re: Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > > > Paul, > > Try this one from Pixmantec. It's free and it's prety good. > > http://www.pixmantec.com/products/rawshooter_essentials.html > > Give it a try and see what you think. > > I use it most of the time with my D70. > > Scott > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" > <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > I just purchased one of these and find the Adobe Raw plug-ins do > not seem to > > work with it. Adobe has a note on one of the pages that they'll > support the > > XT in early May. > > > > > > > > The file type is *.cr2. I thought it was the same as the 20D, but > > apparently not. > > > > > > > > What raw file type does the 20D use? > > > > > > > > Do some other raw converters handle this file type? > > > > > > > > The Canon software will convert to and RGB tiff, but it's only 8 > bit. > > > > > > > > My first impressions of the Digital Rebel XT are generally > positive. The > > best news being the grainless images, and worst being very awkward > tripod > > handling (like most modern cameras). > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:40:10 -0000 > From: "John Vitollo" <jvlist@...> > Subject: Re: Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > > > Paul, > > My XT just arrived five minutes ago...it's a really a nice camera. > > Even though the XT and 20D have the same file extention - .CR2 - they are different > formats. > > Since you are using Windows there is a raw conversion software that's getting very high > praise called Rawshooter Here's a review: > > http://www.outbackphoto.com/artofraw/raw_18/essay.html > > Download at this page: > > http://www.pixmantec.com/products/rawshooter_essentials.html > > It's free at this time and supports the XT. > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> > wrote: > > I just purchased one of these and find the Adobe Raw plug-ins do not seem to > > work with it. Adobe has a note on one of the pages that they'll support the > > XT in early May. > > > The file type is *.cr2. I thought it was the same as the 20D, but > > apparently not. > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:44:45 -0000 > From: "John Vitollo" <jvlist@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > > > Regarding the tripod handling...I use a Arca-Swiss ball head with quick release clamp. > > But it doesn't seem at this time the below vendors make the brackets for the > XT...hopefully soon! > > http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/ > > http://www.kirkphoto.com/ > > > "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> > > My first impressions of the Digital Rebel XT are generally positive. The > > best news being the grainless images, and worst being very awkward tripod > > handling (like most modern cameras). > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:56:46 -0000 > From: "dfaprinting" <dfaprinting@...> > Subject: Re: With what should I replace my once trusty Epson 1160? > > > Put the poor thing on ebay for parts. Maybe find an old Epson 7000 for > a replacement? > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:44:30 -0000 > From: "mastedward" <mastedward@...> > Subject: Refilling MIS Carts for C86 > > > Awhile ago I saw some questions posed here regarding refilling MIS > carts without removing them from the printer. I decided to try > refilling a cartridge in the printer, before it was completely empty > (when the exclamation point appeared in the level indicator for that > cartridge). I removed the plug (the small ice-pick like device in a > miniature screwdriver set works well for this) and injected about 9ml > of ink and re-inserted the plug. The printer then worked fine, but > the > ink level indicator continued to show the exclamation point (low ink) > for that cartridge. So ultimately I did have to remove the cartridge > and reset the chip. Did not have to prime the cartridge, however. > Just > my experience for anyone else who has the same idea . . . > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:46:20 -0000 > From: "jgm818" <jgm818@...> > Subject: Ink splotches > > > I'm using a C86 with MIS carts, I've printed a few 5X7's and had some > ink splotches on the boarder. Can this be fixed, and what could the > problem be? Jeff > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:55:53 -0700 > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > Subject: RE: With what should I replace my once trusty Epson 1160? > > If you're looking at new printers, the 2200 is the best, with the 1280 just > about as good in terms of image quality. [My recommendation of the 1280 is > contingent on the sponge-less carts being available and working as well as > they have so far. (See http://www.inksupply.com/spongless_carts.cfm)] > > You'll find the UT7 and UT2 curves much easier than the old curves. With > both systems you can use the Y position to have glop, a super-light UT-FS-Y, > or any number of custom inks. > > If you're looking at used and print only matte and monotone, the 2000P is an > excellent UT-FS printer -- best dmax. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike > > Gerra > > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:15 AM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Digital BW] With what should I replace my once trusty Epson > > 1160? > > > > > > > > Well, > > After 3 good years, my once trusty Epson 1160 has finally bitten the > > dust. I cannot unclog the Y head, and have tried every recommended > > solution, literally and metaphorically. > > > > So, now with a gallery exhibit looming, I am looking for printer > > recommendations, with following specs: max paper width 13 inches; > > adaptable to CFS; dedicate to B+W; UT inks; various archival papers. > > > > I've been very pleased with MIS inkset with my 1160, and have become > > reasonably good in using and building my own curves. So, a printer > > with similar workflow / characteristics would be great. > > > > Oh well, I'm off now to the back yard where I plan to give my 1160 a > > decent burial (after kicking it a few more times)! Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > > they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > > them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > > membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > > printing. 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Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:26:12 -0700 > From: "Paul D. DeRocco" <pderocco@...> > Subject: RE: Ink splotches > > > From: jgm818 > > > > I'm using a C86 with MIS carts, I've printed a few 5X7's and had some > > ink splotches on the boarder. Can this be fixed, and what could the > > problem be? > > I don't know specifically about that printer, but in general splotches are > caused by paper fuzz, or even a bit of hair, stuck to the underside of the > print head, dragging a blob of ink from the head cleaning station across the > paper. There are some tricks for cleaning the underside of the print head, > involving a paper towel strip along the platen wet with ammoniated window > cleaner. Search the EPSON_Printers group archives for "Windex". Or search > this group--it may have been detailed here as well at some point. > > -- > > Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco > Paul mailto:pderocco@... > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:30:56 -0700 > From: "Paul D. DeRocco" <pderocco@....com> > Subject: RE: Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > > > From: Paul Roark > > > > I just purchased one of these and find the Adobe Raw plug-ins do > > not seem to > > work with it. Adobe has a note on one of the pages that they'll > > support the XT in early May. > > > > The file type is *.cr2. I thought it was the same as the 20D, but > > apparently not. > > They're probably basically the same format, but each camera has its own > unique color "profile" that controls the conversion. It would be nice if you > could force it to use an existing camera's profile, when a new camera comes > out that the converter doesn't know about. We used to do that in the > original Adobe Camera Raw with the 10D, by hacking the file and changing > "D60" to "10D" with a hex editor. Perhaps you can do something like that > with the current ACR, as a temporary fix. > > Hopefully, cameras will eventually provide the ability to write DNG files, > at least as an option, and this problem will go away once and for all. > > -- > > Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco > Paul mailto:pderocco@... > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:41:05 -0000 > From: "Donald Schiemann" <DSCHIEMANN@...> > Subject: B&W options with a digital camera > > > My friend says that his Kodak point-and-shoot digital camera has > options for capturing black&white and sepia images, something my Nikon > D100 does not. How does a digital camera do that? > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:44:12 -0000 > From: "Louis Dina" <lbdina@...> > Subject: Re: Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > > > RawShooter Essentials is a very nice Raw Converter and is a free > download. They say they support the Canon Digital Rebel 350 XT. It > is different from ACR, but has some very nice features. > > http://www.pixmantec.com/products/rawshooter_essentials.html > > Lou > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul D. > DeRocco" <pderocco@i...> wrote: > > > From: Paul Roark > > > > > > I just purchased one of these and find the Adobe Raw plug-ins do > > > not seem to > > > work with it. Adobe has a note on one of the pages that they'll > > > support the XT in early May. > > > > > > The file type is *.cr2. I thought it was the same as the 20D, but > > > apparently not. > > > > They're probably basically the same format, but each camera has its > own > > unique color "profile" that controls the conversion. It would be > nice if you > > could force it to use an existing camera's profile, when a new > camera comes > > out that the converter doesn't know about. We used to do that in the > > original Adobe Camera Raw with the 10D, by hacking the file and > changing > > "D60" to "10D" with a hex editor. Perhaps you can do something like > that > > with the current ACR, as a temporary fix. > > > > Hopefully, cameras will eventually provide the ability to write DNG > files, > > at least as an option, and this problem will go away once and for > all. > > > > -- > > > > Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco > > Paul mailto:pderocco@i... > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:49:08 -0400 > From: "Diane Fields" <picnic@...> > Subject: Re: Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > > I would also guess that Canon's own DPP will convert the new REbel XT RAWs (though I'm not sure if they have issued an upgrade). Its not particularly 'elegant', but in a pinch--its free and will probably work. I would recommend RSE--since most of what you do will be b/w, the color issue won't be a problem for you for the most part. I use C1, RSE (and have used all RAW converters over the years except Bibble) now--and for a very nice workflow, I really like RSE. Since I shoot color also--I'm hoping that Magne Nilsen, who does wonderful camera profiles for Capture One, will do some for RSE when it becomes a 'for pay' app (altho' the current RSE will always be 'free'--just not all the options of the one that will be charged for later). > > Breezebrowser uses Canon's SDK so it processes better/faster, etc. than Canon's DPP and there is a 30 day demo (as C1 I think also--but not sure that its had an upgrade for Rebel XT yet). > > Diane. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul D. DeRocco > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:30 PM > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Canon Digital Rebel XT - raw conversion > > > > From: Paul Roark > > > > I just purchased one of these and find the Adobe Raw plug-ins do > > not seem to > > work with it. Adobe has a note on one of the pages that they'll > > support the XT in early May. > > > > The file type is *.cr2. I thought it was the same as the 20D, but > > apparently not. > > They're probably basically the same format, but each camera has its own > unique color "profile" that controls the conversion. It would be nice if you > could force it to use an existing camera's profile, when a new camera comes > out that the converter doesn't know about. We used to do that in the > original Adobe Camera Raw with the 10D, by hacking the file and changing > "D60" to "10D" with a hex editor. Perhaps you can do something like that > with the current ACR, as a temporary fix. > > Hopefully, cameras will eventually provide the ability to write DNG files, > at least as an option, and this problem will go away once and for all. > > -- > > Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco > Paul mailto:pderocco@... > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. 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Same as most color shooters use RAW and convert and process their own files. > > Diane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donald Schiemann > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:41 PM > Subject: [Digital BW] B&W options with a digital camera > > > > My friend says that his Kodak point-and-shoot digital camera has > options for capturing black&white and sepia images, something my Nikon > D100 does not. How does a digital camera do that? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 18 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:56:04 -0000 > From: "Peter Martin" <balzak3@...> > Subject: epson 1280 > > > Hi, my 1280 went on the blink overthe weekend. it was doing some > intermitent powering off that I thought was a result of a bad USB cable. > But some time saturday night it turned itself off and now is totally > unresponsive, no lights nothing. Anyone aware of a fuse or reset > button that might bring it back to life? > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 19 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:58:41 -0700 > From: "Paul D. DeRocco" <pderocco@...tcom.com> > Subject: RE: B&W options with a digital camera > > > From: Donald Schiemann > > > > My friend says that his Kodak point-and-shoot digital camera has > > options for capturing black&white and sepia images, something my Nikon > > D100 does not. How does a digital camera do that? > > As Diane said, it's a simple conversion in the camera, but better done > manually after the fact. Different images have important detail in different > color channels, so for best results you should always look at the three > color channels separately, and try various mixes of them, for the best > effect. For instance, to dramatically darken a blue sky, you use primarily > the red channel, and sometimes even subtract some of the blue channel. But > there is no single conversion formula that produces the best result for all > pictures, so stay away from B&W conversion in the camera. That's a toy > function, invented by marketroids for appealing to novices. > > -- > > Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco > Paul mailto:pderocco@ix.netcom.com > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 20 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:04:37 -0400 > From: "Diane Fields" <picnic@...> > Subject: Re: B&W options with a digital camera > > Paul--I love the term 'marketroids' LOL. > > To Donald---I have lots of links to different workflows and tutorials for black and white processing if you need them. After you get your feet wet, you will work out your own, but sometimes its helpful to see how others are working. > > Diane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul D. DeRocco > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:58 PM > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] B&W options with a digital camera > > > > From: Donald Schiemann > > > > My friend says that his Kodak point-and-shoot digital camera has > > options for capturing black&white and sepia images, something my Nikon > > D100 does not. How does a digital camera do that? > > As Diane said, it's a simple conversion in the camera, but better done > manually after the fact. Different images have important detail in different > color channels, so for best results you should always look at the three > color channels separately, and try various mixes of them, for the best > effect. For instance, to dramatically darken a blue sky, you use primarily > the red channel, and sometimes even subtract some of the blue channel. But > there is no single conversion formula that produces the best result for all > pictures, so stay away from B&W conversion in the camera. That's a toy > function, invented by marketroids for appealing to novices. > > -- > > Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco > Paul mailto:pderocco@... > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. 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I'm in the middle of 4 big shoots/processing and have spent the last many days sitting in front of a computer working in Photoshop (and my mind is becoming 'mush' LOL)--and I apologize for not trimming all the 'stuff' off the bottom of several replies I've made. > > Diane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Diane Fields > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] B&W options with a digital camera > > > Paul--I love the term 'marketroids' LOL. > > To Donald---I have lots of links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 22 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:33:33 -0000 > From: "drhodes413" <drhodes@...> > Subject: Re: Photo Image watermarks > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bob Cain > <bobcaingroups@g...> wrote: > > > > Anyone recommend a program or other method to add a watermark to your > > photo. I have seen many of you have really professional looking > > signatures in your photos and wanted to adapt the same technique. > > > > Bob > > If you want use your signature as a watermark on your photos, this link > is an excellent PS tutorial detailing how to do so: > > http://www.outbackphoto.com/workflow/wf_54/essay.html > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 23 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:12:29 -0000 > From: "drhodes413" <drhodes@...> > Subject: Re: With what should I replace my once trusty Epson 1160? > > > > Paul, Would the release of the R1800 in the near future influence your > choice if the need to acquire a printer was on a longer time horizon? > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 24 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:12:06 -0000 > From: "Graham" <gakousei53@...> > Subject: GRey Balancer > > > Hi there, > > I came across this site: > > http://www.photographical.net/black_and_white.html > > which says that in exchange for signing up tp the news letter you can > download the Photographical.net Grey Balancer. This is set up to use > Picture Windows Pro. image editing software, which is what I use. > However the download link seems to be dead. > > Does anyone know anything about this software or how to get hold of it? > > Graham Telfer > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 25 > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:15:22 -0700 > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > Subject: RE: With what should I replace my once trusty Epson 1160? > > > > > > > Paul, Would the release of the R1800 in the near future influence your > > choice if the need to acquire a printer was on a longer time horizon? > > > > It's an unknown. The R1800 "B&W" prints I've seen with the OEM inkset are > not acceptable. However, I think there is a chance the 1.5 pl dot, all > those jets, and a good rip might be able to do interesting things. 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